Has the 'Peppa Pig' Prime Minister lost the plot or is this just a hiccup? - Page 2

jfman · 23-11-2021, 18:15

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Originally Posted by Carth

Yep, and the people lining up to pay to watch will probably be the very ones slagging him off now

Well, they’ll still be paying him for his contacts and influence over the next Tory Government. Whether he’s an incompetent buffoon or otherwise, he will still have friends in high places.

**Chris** · 23-11-2021, 18:16

His reputation for easy-going whimsy and bluster is not without basis, however he seems to have become captured by his own legend and now thinks that whatever comes out of his mouth will always be disarming, enamouring, desperately interesting or whatever else he needs it to be in the moment. The problem is, if you speak without notes and without preparation, all you can say is what comes to mind, and if you’re already exhausted and under intense pressure what comes off the top of your head is liable to be of limited value. Add to that, a lot of people are tiring of the act, and the results aren’t pretty.

The Paterson affair already made it clear there’s a significant chance Boris won’t lead the party into the next election. The Peppa Pig affair has, I think, now updated that chance to “substantial”.

**Paul** · 23-11-2021, 19:43

If I were him I wouldnt want to.

No one praises prime ministers, its all pressure, constant attacks, and no thanks.
It really seems like its getting to him now. To me, it would be "no thanks" let someone else do it.

Carth · 23-11-2021, 20:13

Maybe just me, but I think if he stepped down today, just walked away and left an empty chair, there wouldn't be many willing to sit in it . . . at least not until some other poor sod had sorted out (fat chance) all of the current issues we're seeing with Covid, the NHS, Immigrants, blah blah . .

Having said that, there are probably still a few nutcases out there that think they have the answers . . and the backing

Sephiroth · 23-11-2021, 20:21

John Redwood for me.

**Hugh** · 23-11-2021, 20:42

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Originally Posted by Carth

Maybe just me, but I think if he stepped down today, just walked away and left an empty chair, there wouldn't be many willing to sit in it . . . at least not until some other poor sod had sorted out (fat chance) all of the current issues we're seeing with Covid, the NHS, Immigrants, blah blah . .

Having said that, there are probably still a few nutcases out there that think they have the answers. . . and the backing

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

John Redwood for me.

Blackshep · 23-11-2021, 22:54

Of the few thing's worse then boris the buffoon would be John redwood, I think the idea of being prime minister and the reality are getting to buffoon and he's not cut out for it. He won't be the prime minister come the next election campaign and he will be happy about it.

Pierre · 23-11-2021, 22:57

The Tory’s always destroy from within. As soon as one leader is in place they immediately start to look for their successor and to start to undermine them.

I still don’t see anyone in the party that has Boris’ universal appeal. He was, probably still is, the only Eton toff that the red wall actually like.

That may have changed recently, but I certainly don’t see anyone in the Tory party that also command that. So unless he completely melts down, I don’t see him going anywhere.

Javid, Raab, Kwarteng, Zahawi, Shapps and Gove - not a chance…..ever.

Patel? I like, but unlikely - still has time

Liz Truss, I also like.

Sunak, probably, almost certainly, but not yet.

I don’t see any option than for Boris to take them into the next GE.

**Damien** · 23-11-2021, 23:35

I think Gove is underrated as a candidate. He seems pretty level headed and competent so he may provide a good contrast to Johnson. I think there are a few candidates that styled themselves as the Tory warriors in a culture war and that doesn't lend itself well to the position of PM.

Sunak is the one people keep mentioning but that's because he was paying loads of people's wages for nearly two years. His popularity will decline as that becomes history and tax raises are met with the infrastructure cuts his Government are pushing at the same time. The tax rise has already made it a bit more difficult for him amongst the Tory base.

jonbxx · 24-11-2021, 09:59

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

John Redwood for me.

Not sure he would like to give up the sweet sidelines he's got going on though;

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jfman · 24-11-2021, 12:08

The problem for the next Tory leader is it'll be more challenging to hide behind nationalism and using the EU bogey man to cultivate votes.

At some point someone has to deliver a solution to Article 16 and deliver on the "levelling up" agenda.

Also at some point - who knows when - they need to bring people who campaigned to remain back into the fold and become more than a party of hubris. Half the country didn't vote for Brexit and it'd be foolish to assume that only politicians from the half that did have solutions for the problems of the mid-late 2020s.

ianch99 · 24-11-2021, 18:51

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Originally Posted by jonbxx

Not sure he would like to give up the sweet sidelines he's got going on though;

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I receive £48,222 a quarter for an expected commitment of 50 hours a month

Seems that the good people of Wokingham have a part-time MP. Maybe they should ask for some of their money back?

Sephiroth · 24-11-2021, 19:04

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Originally Posted by ianch99

Seems that the good people of Wokingham have a part-time MP. Maybe they should ask for some of their money back?

Addressing your snide remark, the "good people of Wokingham" have repeatedly returned JR to Westminster and are very happy with his representational effort.

papa smurf · 24-11-2021, 19:21

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Addressing your snide remark, the "good people of Wokingham" have repeatedly returned JR to Westminster and are very happy with his representational effort.

Think how happy they would be if he did the job full time for his full time wage.

ianch99 · 24-11-2021, 23:22

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

Think how happy they would be if he did the job full time for his full time wage.

Spot on

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Addressing your snide remark, the "good people of Wokingham" have repeatedly returned JR to Westminster and are very happy with his representational effort.

Nothing snide about pointing out someone being paid for a full time job and only doing it part time. Just show the contempt he holds for his constituents. 50 hours a month is getting on for 25% of his time. Disgraceful.

Shows that you could put a blue rosette on a hat stand and it would get in, in some parts of the country ..