Coronavirus

[pip08456]

Frightening.


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[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

and loads of fines to put towards the bills hahahaha

how quickly you turn against your fellow man.

[nffc]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Frightening.


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The most surprising thing to me about that is that the older groups are more likely to support it.


Given how close 65+ would be to those who actually fought in the wars, it's surprising that they would support that kind of measure.


Also, that pretty much everyone in that age group doesn't work and actually could afford to stay at home without losing anything other than things they do for enjoyment, whereas the younger age groups are typically also not just working, but also probably more likely to do jobs they can't do from home. I would expect most polls on restrictions would have less support in the younger age groups than the older ones, which are also the groups less at risk... and actually, I do think it's fair to expect some people would still feel safer staying in, but that now people need to be able to make the choice, not having that forced on them, especially if they have been vaccinated.

[joglynne]

Seems my recent medicine induced brain haze has made me miss this as well.... another country is finding a way to 'encourage' its citizens to get vaccinated.

Singapore government to no longer pay COVID medical bills for patients 'unvaccinated by choice'
From 1 January, the government will only pay medical bills for fully vaccinated Singaporeans, permanent residents and long-term visa holders, provided they have not recently travelled.

https://news.sky.com/story/singapore...hoice-12464966

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by nffc

The most surprising thing to me about that is that the older groups are more likely to support it.


Given how close 65+ would be to those who actually fought in the wars, it's surprising that they would support that kind of measure.


Also, that pretty much everyone in that age group doesn't work and actually could afford to stay at home without losing anything other than things they do for enjoyment, whereas the younger age groups are typically also not just working, but also probably more likely to do jobs they can't do from home. I would expect most polls on restrictions would have less support in the younger age groups than the older ones, which are also the groups less at risk... and actually, I do think it's fair to expect some people would still feel safer staying in, but that now people need to be able to make the choice, not having that forced on them, especially if they have been vaccinated.

You don't know that - as in unconscious bias. Very many over 65s work.

It might be noted that if you turn the graph left 90 degrees, it pretty much matches the hospitalisation graph.

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

how quickly you turn against your fellow man.

No, I have been consistent in my opinion that they endanger others. Plus the hahaha means it is a light hearted statement not really to be taken seriously

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Originally Posted by pip08456

Frightening.


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only those who have refused the jab needs to worry

@NNFC The 65+ also lived nearer a time when there was a lot more respect and selflessness in society in general where they would want to look after their neighbours

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nffc

The most surprising thing to me about that is that the older groups are more likely to support it.

Given how close 65+ would be to those who actually fought in the wars, it's surprising that they would support that kind of measure.

They're the most likely age group to be suffer most from catching Covid though so I'm not surprised.

[nffc]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

You don't know that - as in unconscious bias. Very many over 65s work.

It might be noted that if you turn the graph left 90 degrees, it pretty much matches the hospitalisation graph.

Well, considering it includes everyone over the retirement age it's a pretty safe assumption that only a minority do work... which is what I actually said

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Taf

Don't forget that are ALL getting older every day, and this virus, or its descendants, will still be around, probably forever.

point being?

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Originally Posted by pip08456

Frightening.


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it is concerning, but I don't give any "YouGov" survey any real credibility.

But on the wider point of how you can use fear to control the population. Yes, it still works.

Future despots take note.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by nffc

Well, considering it includes everyone over the retirement age it's a pretty safe assumption that only a minority do work... which is what I actually said

It's nothing like what you actually said. Maybe the over 80s. You said:

.... Also, that pretty much everyone in that age group doesn't work

Originally Posted by ianch99

Interesting article on this: Why England’s COVID ‘freedom day’ alarms researchers

Not really, its over four months old and written before we even lifted restrictions.

I stopped reading after this ;

There is absolutely no justification for relaxing restrictions now,” says Peter English, former chair of the British Medical Association’s Public Health Medicine Committee. “If anything, they should be tightened, at least until the increase in case rates has reversed

[nffc]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

It's nothing like what you actually said. Maybe the over 80s. You said:

It means the same though.


Consider the two statements (not sure if this figure is true or not but let's just assume it is):


"95% of over 65s are retired and no longer work"
"5% of over 65s have a job"


It's telling the same thing but from the opposite perspectives.


Saying most over 65s don't work is saying the same thing as saying very few do.


And yes, some of them will be retiring at 67/8 and some may even keep on with the odd bit of part time work or voluntary work but it's not going to be far off the actual situation to suggest they do - or that they don't have anything other than leisure activities such as their sport/relaxation/music groups or whatever they do curtailed by a lockdown, when contrasted by say for example bar staff most of whom are probably no older than 30 or so, who may have hours cut, furlough, or even redundancy. Yes there will be exceptions but it's not really unconscious bias to suggest it...

[Taf]

So the missus has been offered another venue and date for her booster. On the other side of city, with no parking, no bus access, in the middle of a sprawling rat's nest of a housing estate.

And I have been offered mine at the same place 3 days later!

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by Taf

So the missus has been offered another venue and date for her booster. On the other side of city, with no parking, no bus access, in the middle of a sprawling rat's nest of a housing estate.

And I have been offered mine at the same place 3 days later!

how did you get the offer?

I did mine online and got to choose where. Few days later I got a text offering one in the next town. Might be worth seeing if you can choose

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/corona...id-19-vaccine/

[Taf]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

how did you get the offer?

I did mine online and got to choose where. Few days later I got a text offering one in the next town. Might be worth seeing if you can choose

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/corona...id-19-vaccine/

In Wales we have to wait for a letter.