Coronavirus

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Paul

jfman attacks the Conservatives shocker

Well they’re not very good.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by jfman

Well they’re not very good.

They're better than Labour, the autocratic undemocrats and head and shoulders above the SNP. However that's like saying a dog turd is better than a cat turd or cow turd. They're all turds.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

OB in springing to the Conservatives defence shocker.

At least you admit they ignored every pandemic preparedness plan ever written in history and acknowledge the plan for mass infection, and hoping for the best. Also known as the “herd immunity” plan.

That was the scientists’ advice, jfman. I think overall the government dealt with it as best they could in the circumstances.

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Originally Posted by jfman

The fact they say it only means it’s agreed Government policy. Politicians are conveniently hiding behind scientists when it suits them.

Hiding behind the scientists? Whose advice are they supposed to take, jfman? As stated above, the government ministers are not experts. You would be the first to complain if the government didn’t follow their advice.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

That was the scientists’ advice, jfman. I think overall the government dealt with it as best they could in the circumstances.

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Hiding behind the scientists? Whose advice are they supposed to take, jfman? As stated above, the government ministers are not experts. You would be the first to complain if the government didn’t follow their advice.

The best they could. That’s the best line yet.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Well, when we can compare these figures on a like-for-like basis, I might agree with you.

You’ll never accept figures as like for like because it’s an easy deflection.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

You’ll never accept figures as like for like because it’s an easy deflection.

How is it a deflection? As an economist, you should appreciate that if Country A includes all deaths from Covid including those who had Covid when they died and Country B with a similar population only recorded Covid deaths in hospitals, you’d expect the figures of Country A to be higher, wouldn’t you?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

How is it a deflection? As an economist, you should appreciate that if Country A includes all deaths from Covid including those who had Covid when they died and Country B with a similar population only recorded Covid deaths in hospitals, you’d expect the figures of Country A to be higher, wouldn’t you?

It’s a deflection because you’ll never accept that it’s been handled badly, despite 150,000 deaths by ONS methodology. The idea that other countries are fudging their figures to the extent to render comparisons meaningless is fanciful.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

It’s a deflection because you’ll never accept that it’s been handled badly, despite 150,000 deaths by ONS methodology. The idea that other countries are fudging their figures to the extent to render comparisons meaningless is fanciful.

I quoted an actual example, jfman. Each country has its own system of recording and this makes comparisons of any worth difficult, if not impossible.

No, I don’t think we handled the pandemic badly. Not everything went right, but nor did it in other countries either. This was unchartered territory for everyone.

Dont waste your breath, you know hes always right, and anything the government does is wrong (because they are conservative).

[jfman]

I’m not claiming to always be right, but the idea that country comparisons aren’t possible to evaluate where responses went well or badly is just living in denial.

The deaths to cases figure ratio would be wildly disproportionate if anyone was substantially covering up Covid related deaths by denying they were linked to Covid.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

I’m not claiming to always be right, but the idea that country comparisons aren’t possible to evaluate where responses went well or badly is just living in denial.

The deaths to cases figure ratio would be wildly disproportionate if anyone was substantially covering up Covid related deaths by denying they were linked to Covid.

You may find this an interesting read, then, jfman.

https://newseu.cgtn.com/news/2020-04...EtO/index.html

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

You may find this an interesting read, then, jfman.

https://newseu.cgtn.com/news/2020-04...EtO/index.html

From April 2020, probably not to be honest.

Worldwide testing capacity has gone through the roof since then, as has understanding of Covid symptoms and now it links to other underlying health conditions.

[Mad Max]

Despite older people and those with underlying health issues being more at risk of COVID-19 there are reports mounting of thousands of deaths in care homes across Europe many of which are not being reported by the respective countries' official data.

Kinda sums up what OB was saying.

So the number of deaths was under-reported?

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Hugh

So the number of deaths was under-reported?

Or under reported in other countries and over reported here?

Originally Posted by pip08456

Or under reported in other countries and over reported here?

That would be handy…