E10 petrol - the pitfalls.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Carth

Here we go again, making things worse while attempting to make things better.

Who's behind this latest one? Is it petrol companies, car manufacturers, the Govt, environmental activists, Disney?

Carrie.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

Probably decided "pre-CV19". Now more folk can and do work from home -> less car commutes -> less mileage -> less pollution saving BUT more problems because cars aren't getting used as much so not emptying/filling tanks -> E10 problems. But policies can't be reversed or delayed so easily so we get stuck with it.

Ah, so this is how they force people back to their offices!

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Originally Posted by Carth

Here we go again, making things worse while attempting to make things better.

Who's behind this latest one? Is it petrol companies, car manufacturers, the Govt, environmental activists, Disney?

Agreed. This will come back to bite them in the bum.

[idi banashapan]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

I wouldn't put anything other than Super Unleaded in the 'Tang.

You don't buy a performarce car and then put crappy fuel in it! I'm anal about using V-Power petrol in my cars and will go out of my way to get it.

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by idi banashapan

You don't buy a performarce car and then put crappy fuel in it! I'm anal about using V-Power petrol in my cars and will go out of my way to get it.

Same here.

[Mythica]

Originally Posted by idi banashapan

You don't buy a performarce car and then put crappy fuel in it! I'm anal about using V-Power petrol in my cars and will go out of my way to get it.

I have the 2.3 Focus ST and that has only ever had Shell V Power in it (apart from the bit the dealer put it). It's getting expensive though, £1.55 per litre.

I know nothing about this, so just to be clear, this is just petrol, nothing to do with diesel ?

[spiderplant]

Originally Posted by Paul

I know nothing about this, so just to be clear, this is just petrol, nothing to do with diesel ?

This is just petrol. I'm not aware of plans to increase the biodiesel ratio in diesel.

"Up to 7% bio-diesel in diesel is considered not to cause any compatibility issues with car fuel systems and there's no need to mark pumps to tell customers that the fuel may contain biofuel."
https://www.theaa.com/driving-advice...nment/biofuels

I once saw a guy in the Lidl car park filling up with a trolley-load of cooking oil.

Originally Posted by spiderplant

I once saw a guy in the Lidl car park filling up with a trolley-load of cooking oil.

That can work, in the right engine. Diesel engines were conceived with the intention that they should tolerate any old muck. However modern diesels are engineered to within an inch of their lives and have various components that don’t like straight vegetable oil, such as common rail injection systems, certain types of fuel pump and engine management computers that are programmed to expect very specific fuel characteristics.

I ran an old diesel Range Rover on about 50% veg for a while. The exhaust smelled like a roadside burger van.

[mrmistoffelees]

There used to be a thing a while ago where people were collecting the old oil from fish and chip shops, filtering it and using that

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

There used to be a thing a while ago where people were collecting the old oil from fish and chip shops, filtering it and using that

Yeah, I have a neighbour who used to do that back when restaurants had to pay someone to take their used oil away. He would take it for free and everyone was happy. It’s now recognised as a recyclable commodity now though, and commercial operators pay to take away the oil.

He had a machine in his garage that did the full biodiesel conversion for him. That’s not just filtering - there’s a chemical process as well. It can be fiddly to learn but if you do it, you can use it in a wider range of vehicles and often at 100% bio as well.

[Taf]

Just a bump for those that are unaware

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by Taf

Just a bump for those that are unaware

In other words, it's garbage and you should stay well clear.

[Taf]

Originally Posted by Mad Max

In other words, it's garbage and you should stay well clear.

My car, and apparently 600,000 others are incompatible with it, and no petrol station in my area will respond as to whether they will stock E5 Super (more expensive) or not.

[SnoopZ]

Originally Posted by Taf

My car, and apparently 600,000 others are incompatible with it, and no petrol station in my area will respond as to whether they will stock E5 Super (more expensive) or not.

My Tesco has replaced E5 at its pumps with E10 and renamed Unleaded Super to E5 Premium which is 11 pence more, i can easily see alot of people using E10 by mistake and causing damage to their cars.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by SnoopZ

My Tesco has replaced E5 at its pumps with E10 and renamed Unleaded Super to E5 Premium which is 11 pence more, i can easily see alot of people using E10 by mistake and causing damage to their cars.

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Can I mix E5 and E10?
That shouldn't be a problem.
In fact, the RAC recommends drivers with an older car who fill up with E10 by mistake top up with E5 as soon as possible after they have used a third of the tank.

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What to do if you put E10 petrol in a non-compatible vehicle
Simply fill up with E5 (‘97+ octane) petrol next time.
Using a single tank of E10 petrol in a vehicle that is not compatible should not be a major problem. Just make sure you fill up with the correct E5 (‘97+ octane) petrol grade next time.
Unlike putting petrol into a diesel engine, you shouldn’t need to drain the tank. On a one-time basis, your vehicle will not suffer engine damage as a result. Prolonged use of E10 petrol in a non-compatible vehicle, however, may cause harm and is not recommended.

Are there any other drawbacks?
If E10 fuel is put in an incompatible car, it will still run, according to the RAC,
But in the long run, it could cause damage to rubber seals, plastics and metals.
There have also been reports E10 is a less stable fuel, the RAC says.
And this could make it more difficult to start a car that has not been driven for quite a while.

It's another example of a misleading set of environmental claims. Same as calling electric vehicles, "zero-emission". The emissions occur elsewhere.
It's meant to reduce CO2 output by the engines, but misses out the bit that producing the ethanol, also produces CO2.

The production of renewable ethanol for blending with fossil petrol also results in valuable by-products, including animal feed and stored CO2.

Which is then likely to be used by various industries(food production, brewing) and released into the atmosphere anyway.