Coronavirus

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

The price of popcorn is surging.

Wanna go halfs on a hot dog ?

[joglynne]

I've just had my weekly food delivery and the only item out of stock was my popcorn. Guess there's quite a few people eating it when watching others using their right to post purposely contentious opinions.

On a secondary note. The young delivery guy was wearing a mask and did his very best to keep his distance whilst he placed our shopping in our hallway. Said he didn't want to put any of his customers in danger. Nice Man, I gave him a cupcake and a can of Coke for his thoughtful actions.

My Asda driver this morning was plugged in to his earbuds and I had to ask him everything twice. It was like trying to get a conversation out of my kids.

For popcorn, we have a massive sack of kernels bought for end-of-year treats in June. There are many benefits to being married to a teacher.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

I’m unsure why you are so keen for me to present what you readily admit won’t change your view, on a topic you’re bored with and eager to move on.

But if you insist this made the Lancet.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...978-8/fulltext

Will it change your mind? No. Have we achieved anything here? No. Will we be back tomorrow? Almost certainly.

The Lancet article is interesting, but it has made its conclusions before this is over.

The point really is that although countries such as New Zealand and Australia have gone for total elimination of the virus, their populations remain dangerously exposed to the virus, and without the vaccine, they are subjecting their population to lockdown after lockdown.

The only way they can maintain their current status is to get their populations vaccinated without delay. The lacklustre response by these governments to have their populations vaccinated is truly curious. The virus could still take off in these countries if the governments don’t step up.

I dont like popcorn.

[mrmistoffelees]

New Zealand going into snap full lockdown for three days due to ONE case (Auckland where the case was detected locked down for seven days, Coromandel also for seven days)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-58241619

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

New Zealand going into snap full lockdown for three days due to ONE case (Auckland where the case was detected locked down for seven days, Coromandel also for seven days)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-58241619

Over reaction?

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Over reaction?

Perhaps, or perhaps with only 20% of the population vaccinated they’re desperate for it not to spread (assuming it’s the delta variant)

[jfman]

The proof will be in the pudding whether NZ returns to an almost fully open internal economy and continues it’s successful rejection of “living with the virus”.

To date the most successful responses (in both health and economic terms) have been the hardest, earliest interventions - see the Lancet article linked earlier.

Some are desperately hoping for New Zealand’s failure to vindicate our atrocious response under the guise of “we couldn’t have done any better”. I, however, am absolutely rooting for them.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jfman

The proof will be in the pudding whether NZ returns to an almost fully open internal economy and continues it’s successful rejection of “living with the virus”.

To date the most successful responses (in both health and economic terms) have been the hardest, earliest interventions - see the Lancet article linked earlier.

Some are desperately hoping for New Zealand’s failure to vindicate our atrocious response under the guise of “we couldn’t have done any better”. I, however, am absolutely rooting for them.

Despite your explanation, I can't see why you'd be rooting for a country whose strategy is failing. One case is sufficient to order a lockdown when so very few people are vaccinated - a lot of people will agree with that.

But rooting for country (i.e. their government) that has failed to vaccinate its people (except out of pity) is nonsense.

26 deaths and less than 3000 cases seems a fairly successful strategy, for a country with a population of 5 million.

They need to work on their vaccinations, though…

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Despite your explanation, I can't see why you'd be rooting for a country whose strategy is failing. One case is sufficient to order a lockdown when so very few people are vaccinated - a lot of people will agree with that.

But rooting for country (i.e. their government) that has failed to vaccinate its people (except out of pity) is nonsense.

I’m more likely to root for a country that isn’t seeking to supplement vaccination with a few million infections in a herd immunity dice roll to be fair.

Plenty of countries have low vaccination rates in the absence of unlimited vaccinations. The question is whether any country can make their position sustainable between now and then. New Zealand appear on a much more solid footing that other countries in that respect.

[Sephiroth]

I don’t see a way out for NZ unless the virus dies (totally closed bordets) or vaccination is complete.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I don’t see a way out for NZ unless the virus dies (totally closed bordets) or vaccination is complete.

Plenty of countries in that boat long term (including us).

The privileged among us aren’t going to go out and save Pret against a backdrop of hundreds of thousand of infections per week.

Pantsdown is out fear mongering again

https://t.co/vATdqlu3Vs (from the FT).

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I don’t see a way out for NZ unless the virus dies (totally closed bordets) or vaccination is complete.

Their borders are pretty much shut until 2022, with the abruptness they're imposing lockdowns, and IF (big if) they can speed up their vaccine roll out they will should manage to keep this under control.