Britain outside the EU

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

3 months apparently - https://www.gov.uk/government/news/v...-member-states

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Is that 3 months in, say France then 3 months in Germany, etc? Or is it 3 months in France then scram from the EU?

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Is that 3 months in, say France then 3 months in Germany, etc? Or is it 3 months in France then scram from the EU?

I'd imagine 3 months in the EU countries.

13 weeks, at 2 shows a week, that's 26 performances . . . just pick the venues that make sense

What a complete non event.

There will be 61 nationalities who need to apply for an ETIAS from the end of 2022 before travelling to EU countries. This includes travellers from the US, Australia, and Japan, as well as British citizens.

So hardly a "Punish the UK".

The European Commission has offered free travel for UK travellers who go to EU countries for short stays, as long as the UK agrees to do the same for EU nationals. If the UK accepts this offer, it will still be necessary to complete the ETIAS application though there would not be a fee.

Most likely we will take this up.

Whether a bilateral agreement is reached or not, the EU has said that applicants under 18 or over 70 will not have to pay for an ETIAS visa waiver.

So adults only, not children.


For most people, all this will affect is their holidays.
Assuming for a minute that everyone stopped going to the EU for a holiday, then all that would punish is the EU, not the UK.
In reality, no one is going to care about paying it, everyone does it for holidays to Florida, and no one complains about it "hurting".

I dislike the EU as much as many, and I am glad to be rid of them, but trying to make this a brexit issue is pure desperation by some.

[TheDaddy]

There's a vicious rumour on twitter that the government is going to deploy the army to keep the shelves stocked in supermarkets, wtf, wt actual f, who voted for this again?

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

There's a vicious rumour on twitter that the government is going to deploy the army to keep the shelves stocked in supermarkets, wtf, wt actual f, who voted for this again?

More misinformation from you I see, careful, I might mistake you for Mr K.

Brexit had nothing to do with shelves being empty, if there is actually any shelves empty at all. My supermarket has fully stocked shelves. The shortfalls the other week was triggered by the sheer number of people being pinged by the NHS Covid App. I saw some desperate Remainiacs post a doctored screenshot, alleged to have been taken when the initial panic buying took place at start of pandemic. Desperate stuff still trying to rubbish the vote, when in reality, all their stupid claims of the county going bankrupt hasn’t come to pass, quite the opposite actually.

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

There's a vicious rumour on twitter that the government is going to deploy the army to keep the shelves stocked in supermarkets, wtf, wt actual f, who voted for this again?

Originally Posted by Mick

More misinformation from you I see, careful, I might mistake you for Mr K.

Brexit had nothing to do with shelves being empty, if there is actually any shelves empty at all. My supermarket has fully stocked shelves. The shortfalls the other week was triggered by the sheer number of people being pinged by the NHS Covid App. I saw some desperate Remainiacs post a doctored screenshot, alleged to have been taken when the initial panic buying took place at start of pandemic. Desperate stuff still trying to rubbish the vote, when in reality, all their stupid claims of the county going bankrupt hasn’t come to pass, quite the opposite actually.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ics-Corps.html

Army on standby to stock Britain's shelves: Up to 2,000 HGV drivers from Royal Logistics Corps are on five-day to notice to deliver food and essentials to UK supermarkets due to shortage of 100,000 truckers

It comes after the Road Haulage Association warned in late July that there was a shortage of 100,000 lorry drivers in the UK, which has been hampering deliveries of food from warehouses to supermarkets.

Thousands of prospective drivers are waiting for their HGV tests due to a backlog caused by lockdown, while many existing ones have left the UK after Brexit.

The problem has been exacerbated by Covid, with drivers having to go into self-isolation amid the so-called 'pingdemic'.

Originally Posted by BenMcr

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ics-Corps.html

Thanks for confirming what I had originally said.

The problem has been exacerbated by Covid, with drivers having to go into self-isolation amid the so-called 'pingdemic'.

But Remainiacs are going to cling to the Brexit scapegoat for everything, because everything else they said was going to happen, has not happened.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Mick

More misinformation from you I see, careful, I might mistake you for Mr K.

Brexit had nothing to do with shelves being empty, if there is actually any shelves empty at all. My supermarket has fully stocked shelves. The shortfalls the other week was triggered by the sheer number of people being pinged by the NHS Covid App. I saw some desperate Remainiacs post a doctored screenshot, alleged to have been taken when the initial panic buying took place at start of pandemic. Desperate stuff still trying to rubbish the vote, when in reality, all their stupid claims of the county going bankrupt hasn’t come to pass, quite the opposite actually.

Yeah what do I know, I only work for some of the biggest haulage and logistic firms in the country, you know the ones trying to poach each others staff with hefty bounties because things are so bad and I think you'll find it wasn't lorry drivers being pinged it was the people unloading them and we don't have 100000 people waiting for licence to fill the gaps either, very far from it

[Carth]

Surely 1/6th of HGV drivers in the UK weren't foreign were they?

If so, that's a massive failing somewhere . . . and a possible nod to the wages on offer that allowed it to happen.

Originally Posted by Carth

Surely 1/6th of HGV drivers in the UK weren't foreign were they?

If so, that's a massive failing somewhere . . . and a possible nod to the wages on offer that allowed it to happen.

Exactly - but it's a lets blame Brexit for everything approach to every problem Britain is having at the current moment.

The UK does not need to be in the corrupted EU - the vaccine fiasco they caused should be a bloody eye opener to Remainers, but oh no they love this disgusting corrupted club for some unknown reason. We are better out of that club, well out.

[mrmistoffelees]

I can only find data (albeit after a very quick search up until 2016

The proportion of foreign national HGV drivers between 2006 - 2016 increased from 3% in 2006 to 12%

it would be a reasonable assumption to make, that this increase continued 2016-2019 ?

Average salary in 2016 was £11.06

I did find data to suggest that this had increased to approx. £11.60 per hour YE 2020

The hourly salary is atrocious consdering their responsibilities
https://assets.publishing.service.go...stics-2016.pdf

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

I can only find data (albeit after a very quick search up until 2016

The proportion of foreign national HGV drivers between 2006 - 2016 increased from 3% in 2006 to 12%

it would be a reasonable assumption to make, that this increase continued 2016-2019 ?

Average salary in 2016 was £11.06

I did find data to suggest that this had increased to approx. £11.60 per hour YE 2020

The hourly salary is atrocious consdering their responsibilities
https://assets.publishing.service.go...stics-2016.pdf

It's actually worse than that, European firms tend to pay drivers by the kilometre not by the hour, so if they're being held up at boarders or by customs they're not earning a penny. It's a very complicated industry with very fine margins and what may seem like opportunities opening will quickly disappear along with the jobs

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

It's actually worse than that, European firms tend to pay drivers by the kilometre not by the hour, so if they're being held up at boarders or by customs they're not earning a penny. It's a very complicated industry with very fine margins and what may seem like opportunities opening will quickly disappear along with the jobs

I obviously don't doubt what you say. But if the pay is better here (by the hour,, not the Km), then why won't they EU drivers come here to work?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I obviously don't doubt what you say. But if the pay is better here (by the hour,, not the Km), then why won't they EU drivers come here to work?

Because a lot didn't work for British firms, they worked for EU companies who sub contracted them to British firms, imo the problem is with the continental driving, they don't want to do it so filling those spots has had a knock on effect on the rest of the industry, I could be wrong to, I'm more likely in the drivers room having a cuppa than in the logistics office, it's the drivers from various companies I pick this up from.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Because a lot didn't work for British firms, they worked for EU companies who sub contracted them to British firms, imo the problem is with the continental driving, they don't want to do it so filling those spots has had a knock on effect on the rest of the industry, I could be wrong to, I'm more likely in the drivers room having a cuppa than in the logistics office, it's the drivers from various companies I pick this up from.

So, maybe a recruitment campaign in the EU might be worthwhile. What do you think?