Coronavirus

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by jfman

It sounds made up, to be honest.

We should learn Mandarin. So at least we can ask the Chinese to lie about the lab leak in their native tongue. It would also save me pointing to a menu and saying a number 67, an 88 (no onions) and a portion of chips please.

Lol, oh it was fiction definitely, it never really happened thank heavens!

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Originally Posted by Paul

Indeed, I used that last year.

I wasnt aware it was available for this year, so I just logged in again, it took all of 30 seconds to complete ;

You can do it every year and it wasn't brought in just because of the pandemic. Perhaps you could go back 6 years if you worked from home throughout this time??

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Paul

Most films are

Oops.

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Iain Duncan Smith saying we should stop publishing Covid stats.

Yes everyone - take personal responsibility but we won't give you the data to make informed decisions.

He might as well say get out there and die you plebs.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by jfman

I know you don’t like your holidays in Europe but Old Boy has Benidorm he wants to get to.

If Old Boy and his pals had voted in sufficient numbers for the UK to remain in the EU, he could travel freely in the EU two weeks after his second injection...and soak up the rays at a destination of his choice.

Instead, he's now thumbing through brochures of Southend, Llandudno and Blackpool.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Obviously, Yale Medicine should have called on you, because they believe there are still uncertainties about the Delta Variant…

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/5-...-variant-covid

From that piece.

From what we know so far, people who are vaccinated against the coronavirus appear to be safe from Delta,

and the whole article basically states that it's only an issue for unvaccinated people and areas of low vaccinated population.

So........what's the issue?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

If Old Boy and his pals had voted in sufficient numbers for the UK to remain in the EU, he could travel freely in the EU two weeks after his second injection...and soak up the rays at a destination of his choice.

Instead, he's now thumbing through brochures of Southend, Llandudno and Blackpool.

What year would that be.

Originally Posted by Pierre

From that piece.



and the whole article basically states that it's only an issue for unvaccinated people and areas of low vaccinated population.

So........what's the issue?

The unvaccinated people, like your children?

Kids and young people are a concern as well. “A recent study from the United Kingdom showed that children and adults under 50 were 2.5 times more likely to become infected with Delta,” says Dr. Yildirim.

While more research is needed, early information about the severity of Delta includes a study from Scotland that showed the Delta variant was about twice as likely as Alpha to result in hospitalization in unvaccinated individuals

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

The unvaccinated people, like your children?

My kids, "may" get infected...but the evidence is overwhelming that they are unlikely to get a severe illness, if they get ill at all. I've been double jabbed so has their mother, grandmother and pretty much everyone else I know.

So.....what's the issue?

While more research is needed, early information about the severity of Delta includes a study from Scotland that showed the Delta variant was about twice as likely as Alpha to result in hospitalization in unvaccinated individuals

It doesn't give ages, and I've read the report and it does not separate out the ages of the Individuals

What it does say is

Risk of COVID-19 hospital admission was approximately doubled in those with the Delta VOC when compared to the Alpha VOC, with risk of admission particularly increased in those with five or more relevant comorbidities.

There is nothing to suggest healthy unvaccinated children are at any increased risk of severe illness. Happy to read any report/paper that does say that.

[tweetiepooh]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Never been, but always wanted to go. An acquaintance has told me that English is widely spoken & English food widely available which is a plus. Is it a bit like Gibraltar?

We went to Gozo which is a short helicopter connection from Malta (old Russian transport beastie converted to passengers).
What disappointed me was all the street lights. I'd hoped for dark skies on such small safe islands.

[daveeb]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

If Old Boy and his pals had voted in sufficient numbers for the UK to remain in the EU, he could travel freely in the EU two weeks after his second injection...and soak up the rays at a destination of his choice.

Instead, he's now thumbing through brochures of Southend, Llandudno and Blackpool.

Nothing wrong with that

Need to get back to work now, Llandudno's tourist board hotline gets busy on sunny days.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Pierre

My kids, "may" get infected...but the evidence is overwhelming that they are unlikely to get a severe illness, if they get ill at all. I've been double jabbed so has their mother, grandmother and pretty much everyone else I know.

So.....what's the issue?



It doesn't give ages, and I've read the report and it does not separate out the ages of the Individuals

What it does say is



There is nothing to suggest healthy unvaccinated children are at any increased risk of severe illness. Happy to read any report/paper that does say that.

Children can pass it on to adults, though it's fair to day that those who have been double vaccinated are less likely (not guaranteed though) to get severely ill and die.

[jfman]

I can’t help but think a vaccination campaign above a reasonably successful one wouldn’t have to resort to herd immunity by the back door by allowing millions of infections to supplement a lower efficacy vaccine mix.

This is because you wilfully define success so as to ensure it’s unattainable. Anything to shore up your evil Tory/Westminster/incompetence worldview.

[spiderplant]

Originally Posted by Chris

This is because you wilfully define success so as to ensure it’s unattainable. Anything to shore up your evil Tory/Westminster/incompetence worldview.

No, the eradication of smallpox is overwhelmingly successful. Right now we are a long way short of that with COVID. "Reasonably successful" seems a reasonable description of the current position.

[mrmistoffelees]

Boris says 'extra precautions' may need to remain after July 19th

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b1876237.html

Masks?
Social Distancing?
Another piece of black tape over the security camera?

Smallpox was a lot easier to deal with as it was easy to spot. There were no asymptomatic cases so when someone had it at which time they could descend on the area and vaccinate everyone around it. Smallpox also is not contagious during its incubation period, only when the symptoms develop, which again made it easier to stop its spread. You also had lifelong immunity after one vaccine. It also had no animal reservoir to live and/or mutate in outside of humans.

So they widely administered the vaccine and then over time swooped in where the vaccine escaped herd immunity to ring vaccinate everyone around it.

Smallpox remains the only disease we've eradicated through vaccination. It took decades and we were helped by a widely successful vaccine and that it was easy to spot. It's unfair to use that as a comparison point for a virus we've only had a year and a half to work on and that can spread without the host having symptoms.