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		|  31-05-2021, 17:59 | #6796 |  
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					Originally Posted by Taf  No Road Tax, no obligatory insurance, and no training needed. The Taff Trail is like a racing track most days with pedestrians of all ages having to have eyes in the backs of their head. Throw in high-speed electric scooters and it's quite manic.   |  Find swinging a walking stick slows them down on taff trail how the heck do I turn of  the text changing thingy on Android it's driving me more crazy than I am already    
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		|  31-05-2021, 18:31 | #6797 |  
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					Originally Posted by Itshim  Find swinging a walking stick slows them down on taff trail how the heck do I turn of  the text changing thingy on Android it's driving me more crazy than I am already   |  Try Settings -> Display if you want to change your font size or display size. My phone uses non-standard android and I'm still on version 10 so yours could be different. 
 
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		|  31-05-2021, 19:21 | #6798 |  
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			Settings- Display- Text Size. I have to have mine on XXL nowadays
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		|  31-05-2021, 19:41 | #6799 |  
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					Originally Posted by nashville  They are a menace,  The advert on TV tells us to watch out for cyclists and give them plenty space,  but cyclists  move in and out of cars and do not give a hee haw about cars ,   Not sure if cyclists pay Road tax,  but they should, |  
I’d love to know why cyclists should pay a tax that hasn’t existed since the late 1930’s 
 
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		|  31-05-2021, 19:53 | #6800 |  
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					Originally Posted by joglynne  Try Settings -> Display if you want to change your font size or display size. My phone uses non-standard android and I'm still on version 10 so yours could be different. 
 I also seem to remember using  Settings -> Accessibility on one of my android phones.
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		|  31-05-2021, 19:56 | #6801 |  
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	You might be being a bit specific here!  The suggestion is, obviously, that as road users they should be taxed appropriately.  It could be levied onto the cost of a bicycle so that admin effort is minimised, but that would slightly miss the point of annually taxing a pest at the point of consumption.  Indeed, they should pay insurance too.Quote: 
	
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					Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees  I’d love to know why cyclists should pay a tax that hasn’t existed since the late 1930’s 
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		|  31-05-2021, 20:07 | #6802 |  
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					Originally Posted by Sephiroth  You might be being a bit specific here!  The suggestion is, obviously, that as road users they should be taxed appropriately.  It could be levied onto the cost of a bicycle so that admin effort is minimised, but that would slightly miss the point of annually taxing a pest at the point of consumption.  Indeed, they should pay insurance too.
 At this time of year, they are an absolute scourge.
 
 |  They are taxed the same as cars. No engine no emissions no tax. Some form of insurance maybe but not going to happen because unless you forgot there is a push for more people to use less petrol / diesel so they are hardly likely to start forcing cyclists to pay to use the roads
 
do you always drive within the speed limit? and always follow all the rules of the road? because those who drive who do not are a scourge all the time not just in good weather
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		|  31-05-2021, 20:19 | #6803 |  
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					Originally Posted by Jaymoss  They are taxed the same as cars. No engine no emissions no tax. Some form of insurance maybe but not going to happen because unless you forgot there is a push for more people to use less petrol / diesel so they are hardly likely to start forcing cyclists to pay to use the roads
 do you always drive within the speed limit? and always follow all the rules of the road? because those who drive who do not are a scourge all the time not just in good weather
 |  Around this part of Cardiff the rules are bikes ride   and cars (parked*) on the pavement. Pedestrians in the road .   Traffic lights are not for cyclists. If they had a number plate then perhaps things would start to get better. 
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		|  31-05-2021, 20:19 | #6804 |  
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	But you're drifting from the point.  On the curving country roads, the ride 2 abreast at best and in Peloton formation at worst.  You can't get past them and they know it.  Scourge doesn't cover it!Quote: 
	
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					Originally Posted by Jaymoss  They are taxed the same as cars. No engine no emissions no tax. Some form of insurance maybe but not going to happen because unless you forgot there is a push for more people to use less petrol / diesel so they are hardly likely to start forcing cyclists to pay to use the roads
 do you always drive within the speed limit? and always follow all the rules of the road? because those who drive who do not are a scourge all the time not just in good weather
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		|  31-05-2021, 20:20 | #6805 |  
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			No Insurance, for something that can whiz along at 25mph in heavy (including pedestrian) traffic. 
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					Originally Posted by Sephiroth  But you're drifting from the point.  On the curving country roads, the ride 2 abreast at best and in Peloton formation at worst.  You can't get past them and they know it.  Scourge doesn't cover it! |  and often on windy country lanes I see cars driving way to fast a danger to every one
 
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					Originally Posted by Itshim  Around this part of Cardiff the rules are bikes ride   and cars (parked*) on the pavement. Pedestrians in the road .   Traffic lights are not for cyclists. If they had a number plate then perhaps things would start to get better.* Law starting to be brought in  banning it cant be to soon for me.
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		|  31-05-2021, 21:41 | #6807 |  
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 bad cyclists are always lumped in with the good cyclists in these discussions though. I have no issue for tougher rules for bad cyclists
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 |  You realise that with the move to electric there isn't going to be any emissions, by your logic none of us will have anything to pay except they're talking about charging us by the mile to replace the lost fuel duty, presumably you're fine with that applying to push bikes to
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					Originally Posted by Sephiroth  You still don't seem to fully get it.  I'm not having a go at the "good" cyclists.  The Pelptons and two abreast are bad cyclists and a total scourge. |  but you want to levy a charge on cycling full stop so that is having a go at good cyclists because you will be penalising good and bad
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