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spiderplant · 18-05-2021, 15:13

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Hopefully, the intensified vaccination programme in Bolton will help put us back on track.

I'm afraid that stable door fell off long ago. See the Sanger link I posted last night (which is already 10 days out of date).

jfman · 18-05-2021, 15:18

The real value in throwing vaccines into the most prominent areas is to test the vaccine in the real world.

It's got virtually nothing to do with protecting the people there.

Sephiroth · 18-05-2021, 16:03

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Originally Posted by jfman

The real value in throwing vaccines into the most prominent areas is to test the vaccine in the real world.

It's got virtually nothing to do with protecting the people there.

You’ve got some weird ideas. It’s not clear to me if you are responding to someone else’s post.

The Guvmin does say that don’t know enough about the current vaccines vs Indian variant, but it does accord the vaccines a cautious yes. But by inoculating the Bolton (etc) doubters, they’ll be ready for the booster as well as gaining whatever protection that current vaccines provide.

But then , you knew all that.

jfman · 18-05-2021, 17:30

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

You’ve got some weird ideas. It’s not clear to me if you are responding to someone else’s post.

The Guvmin does say that don’t know enough about the current vaccines vs Indian variant, but it does accord the vaccines a cautious yes. But by inoculating the Bolton (etc) doubters, they’ll be ready for the booster as well as gaining whatever protection that current vaccines provide.

But then , you knew all that.

What's the quickest way to test efficacy of all the vaccines, across all age groups and a range of underlying conditions?

You can wait around forever for a significant amount of infections in an area where the virus is under control. Or you can take it head on where it's rife and measure what decline (if any) arises

If the goal was reduce infections then local lockdown doesn't take a few weeks to deploy and a few weeks to take effect.

Hom3r · 18-05-2021, 17:49

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

What's wrong with a full lock down in the likes of Bolton?
With road blocks, btw.

Nothing in the real world.

But the anti-vaxers, Covid-19 deniers won't allow it without throwing their toys out of the pram

jonbxx · 18-05-2021, 17:57

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Originally Posted by jfman

What's the quickest way to test efficacy of all the vaccines, across all age groups and a range of underlying conditions?

You can wait around forever for a significant amount of infections in an area where the virus is under control. Or you can take it head on where it's rife and measure what decline (if any) arises

If the goal was reduce infections then local lockdown doesn't take a few weeks to deploy and a few weeks to take effect.

I was thinking about this and was there anything to be said for the ring fencing approach used during smallpox eradication where it was 'all hands to the pump' to vaccinate everyone within a certain area of a smallpox infection. Obviously, it worked well as there's no smallpox any more.

However, there are a couple of reasons why this might not work;

You have asymptomatic carriers going in and out of the area unlike smallpox where, if you were infectious, you REALLY knew it
The motivation for getting inoculated against smallpox was pretty strong - you don't want smallpox
Vaccination takes up to 14 days to work (smallpox was faster)

I think the only way ring fencing would work would be with compulsory quarantine and vaccination.

I saw a tweet earlier from Mark Easton at the BBC which said that only 13% of the population of Burnley worked from home compared with 71% for Richmond which goes some way to explain the rise in cases in some areas - https://twitter.com/BBCMarkEaston/st...18979514884096

Hom3r · 18-05-2021, 18:02

I did my first Covid-19 test today, I heard my sister laugh as I gagged when doing the tonsils, and she laughed again when I sneezed after doing it up the nose.

Of course, it came back negative.

Taf · 18-05-2021, 21:01

My second dose was due tomorrow, now put back a week due to "supply problems" (OAZ).

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4,776 cases where a positive rapid lateral flow test was followed by all negative polymerase chain reaction (PCR) tests taken within 3 days have now been removed.

That made the Figures at https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/ go negative by 2065 new cases.

Pierre · 18-05-2021, 21:54

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

[COLOR="Blue"]What's wrong with a full lock down in the likes of Bolton?

Lots if you live in Bolton.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

You’ve got some weird ideas.

Understatement of the week award.

nomadking · 18-05-2021, 21:56

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Lots if you live in Bolton.

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Understatement of the week award.

A local lockdown also helps protect people in that area.

jfman · 18-05-2021, 22:26

Erroneous assumption is that local lockdown is playing against opening up. In reality it's playing against national lockdown. Then again Pierre's proposed decision making tend to encourage those.

Carth · 18-05-2021, 22:32

Local lockdown German style

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-57164317

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"We just saw a mass of public order officers suddenly turn up and we were locked in," said a woman from the town of Velbert.

TheDaddy · 19-05-2021, 06:21

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Good Sky News clip below showing how poor India's situation was when we continued to let travellers in from that country.

https://twitter.com/Femi_Sorry/statu...26068104028160

You do know that we are continuing to let people in from that country don't you, there has been 110 direct flights from India during the last three weeks alone

OLD BOY · 19-05-2021, 08:47

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Originally Posted by jfman

Erroneous assumption is that local lockdown is playing against opening up. In reality it's playing against national lockdown. Then again Pierre's proposed decision making tend to encourage those.

Except that the vaccines will prevent another national lockdown.

jfman · 19-05-2021, 10:42

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Except that the vaccines will prevent another national lockdown.

Hopefully. We should get some good data on efficacy vs variants (plus preventing hospitalisation and deaths) in the next few weeks.

You know, the type that doesn't require qualification on the Sunday mornings.

Words to look out for: think, expect, should, may. Also watch for people talking about their own confidence (personal opinion); against Covid (not variant specific) and vaccines in general (including the higher performing mRNA vaccines in their opinion).