Coronavirus

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I’m saying that the vaccination programme has enabled us to reach a better place.

Do you really believe that predictions are made having regard to unknown factors? If that was the case we’d never do anything for fear of what might conceivably happen. Hell, we’d never want to go outside if that were the case, let alone cross the road!

Risk assessment and mitigation - in a worldwide pandemic, most people err on the side of caution..

You seem to consistently err on the side of unfounded optimism…

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Risk assessment and mitigation - in a worldwide pandemic, most people err on the side of caution..

You seem to consistently err on the side of unfounded optimism…

Do they? You seem intent on talking down to OB (when you're not doing that to me). It is in plain view that people play the odds and take the precautions they deem adequate. The current Covid data figures show that people have made the right choices, except certain groups who are less "communitaire" than most.

OB's optimism is reasonably founded because of the vaccination programme. It doesn't mean that Bolton or Leicester or the usual suspects shouldn't be kept at Level 2 - indeed they should. But the rest of us should be able to enjoy our hard won road to normality or something close to it.

Rebuttal is not "talking down" - you need to get off your high horse…

[Taf]

And all those advocating against vaccinating young children against Covid-19 might start to worry as more information comes out about the Kawasaki-like disease that is being seen a lot more. Possibly after a covid-19 infection. "Atypical Kawasaki disease, now called Paediatric Inflammatory Multisystem Syndrome Temporally associated with SARS-CoV-2 (PIMS-TS)".

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-pers...wasaki-disease

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/2192...ptible-severe/

And it's now being seen in adults

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj....apid-responses

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Rebuttal is not "talking down" - you need to get off your high horse…

Your’s is.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

is there an echo in here?

You, in September last year…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...s#post36050275



Also in September (you may wish to give up on predictions…)

It’s Hugh the cableforum archivist again.

To be fair the statement in September was before mass vaccination, it’s totally different scenario now

[Hom3r]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

but then that discriminates against those with a legit reason

No they get a form from their Dr and not some crap from Amazon.


Plus what about those of us who they could infect with a care in the world, as long as they are ok the majority can suffer.

[Sephiroth]

The NHS App is now showing your vaccine record.

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

No they get a form from their Dr and not some crap from Amazon.


Plus what about those of us who they could infect with a care in the world, as long as they are ok the majority can suffer.

Yes because you made the mistake in commenting with absolutes didn't you

Originally Posted by Hom3r

They should have simply said no mask no entry no excuses no exemptions.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

It’s Hugh the cableforum archivist again.

To be fair the statement in September was before mass vaccination, it’s totally different scenario now

OB in distress so we have Diet OB along to offer a slightly more considered position.

It’s a different scenario when (and if) it’s demonstrated that the vaccine is effective AND in a sufficient proportion of the population to prevent the pandemic from gaining a foothold. It may mean we never have to return to lockdown, it doesn’t mean we can ease restrictions regardless.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jfman

OB in distress so we have Diet OB along to offer a slightly more considered position.

It’s a different scenario when (and if) it’s demonstrated that the vaccine is effective AND in a sufficient proportion of the population to prevent the pandemic from gaining a foothold. It may mean we never have to return to lockdown, it doesn’t mean we can ease restrictions regardless.

You're being a pixie jfman!

OB isn't taking the "regardless" approach at all. He is taking it all into account - at least that's my reading - and he's gone to a lot of trouble in so doing.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

OB in distress so we have Diet OB along to offer a slightly more considered position.

“Diet OB” extremely offensive, but funny, I’ll give you that.

It’s a different scenario when (and if) it’s demonstrated that the vaccine is effective

I think, and I’m not going out on a limb here, the vaccine(s) have proven themselves effective.

AND in a sufficient proportion of the population to prevent the pandemic from gaining a foothold.

Again I believe the volumes vaccinated, speak for themselves

It may mean we never have to return to lockdown, it doesn’t mean we can ease restrictions regardless.

Why not, what ones should we keep?

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

OB in distress so we have Diet OB along to offer a slightly more considered position.

It’s a different scenario when (and if) it’s demonstrated that the vaccine is effective AND in a sufficient proportion of the population to prevent the pandemic from gaining a foothold. It may mean we never have to return to lockdown, it doesn’t mean we can ease restrictions regardless.

Matt Hancock confirmed that lab data showed that the vaccine was effective against the Indian variant. This was also the view of Prof Finn, who appeared on the Andrew Marr Show.

I think, jfman, that you should consider providing links to back up your absurd view of the world, which often appears to defy common sense. You may rubbish the links that I provide, but they add support to the arguments being made, so I would certainly take you more seriously if you did that. Which you won’t, of course…

Like it or not, this lockdown is coming to an end. So will mask wearing and social distancing on 21 June. Don’t forget, you can lock yourself away if you want to. The emphasis after June will be on personal responsibility, not government diktat.

[nomadking]

The fact that the question arises with each new variant of not working with current vaccines, should be concerning, in that it highlights the possibility of a new variant that dodges current immunity from whatever mechanism, in the same way seasonal flu does.


Until Covid and it's variants are eradicated, that risk will always be there.
A new variant might even affect the young and strong to a greater extent, in the same way "Spanish flu", affected those younger and stronger.
Scary, but possible scenarios, and ones that have previously occurred.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by nomadking

The fact that the question arise with each new variant not working with current vaccines, should be concerning, in that it highlights the possibility of a new variant that dodges current immunity from whatever mechanism, in the same way seasonal flu does.
Until Covid and it's variants are eradicated, that risk will always be there.

A new variant might even affect the young and strong to a greater extent, in the same way "Spanish flu", affected those younger and stronger.

Scary, but possible scenarios, and ones that have previously occurred.

That’s why we need the boosters, to protect against new variants. So far, the vaccines protect against them all, but they will be modified regularly to take into account the new strains out there.