01-05-2021, 10:25
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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We must be lucky that we don't get upset by a bit of painting and decorating in someone else's house, I'm so glad I'm not delicate and easily upset.
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You should be concerned about corruption whoever is in charge.
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01-05-2021, 10:37
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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Or don’t understand it’s not about the "painting and decorating", it’s about how the funding has been obfuscated - if someone else pays for something, that gives them influence/leverage over the recipient.
It’s the fact the the country’s leader could have received an illegal payment, and then lies about it, that gets people "easily upset"…
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01-05-2021, 10:54
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
It's about cheap political point scoring by a bunch of desperate nobody's, with nothing better to do than watch the PM's new paint dry and try to come up with ridiculous conspiracy theories about a simple bit of decorating.
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01-05-2021, 11:10
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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I agree - it's demeaning when politicians do things like this...
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You might be missing the point.
Boris was promoting our country, Liebour was attacking it, that's why they lost in areas that where original anti Tory.
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01-05-2021, 11:19
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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You might be missing the point. Boris was promoting our country, Liebour was attacking it, that's why they lost
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Why is attacking corruption attacking the country? The Prime Minister and David Cameron are not the country and should be held to account.
Labour lost for many reasons, having the incompetent left-winger Corbyn in charge was foremost amongst them.
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It's about cheap political point scoring by a bunch of desperate nobody's, with nothing better to do than watch the PM's new paint dry and try to come up with ridiculous conspiracy theories about a simple bit of decorating.
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Like Theresa May's redecoration of No. 10, I don't think that comment will age well. 
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01-05-2021, 12:10
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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It's about cheap political point scoring by a bunch of desperate nobody's, with nothing better to do than watch the PM's new paint dry and try to come up with ridiculous conspiracy theories about a simple bit of decorating.
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£88,000 of decorating, of which £58,000 was originally funded from unknown sources - but you knew that, and are just repeating the same old mantra over and over again...
It's not a conspiracy theory if it's true... 
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01-05-2021, 12:27
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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£88,000 of decorating, of which £58,000 was originally funded from unknown sources - but you knew that, and are just repeating the same old mantra over and over again...
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If.
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01-05-2021, 12:27
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
It's still cheap political point scoring though.
Mind you, it's about the oppositions limit because they have nothing else in the larder with which to cook up a good fight
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01-05-2021, 12:39
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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We all know if he hadn't done anything wrong they wouldn't have been able to slap Keir down fast enough. The fact they've not done it speaks volumes, there's nothing a politician likes more than political point scoring. Borris being innocent would be an open goal for the Conservatives that they wouldn't go out of their way to miss.
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01-05-2021, 13:14
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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We all know if he hadn't done anything wrong they wouldn't have been able to slap Keir down fast enough. The fact they've not done it speaks volumes, there's nothing a politician likes more than political point scoring. Borris being innocent would be an open goal for the Conservatives that they wouldn't go out of their way to miss.
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Exactly. I advise those who still cling on to the hope that there's nothing in the stories to cancel their Sunday newspapers.
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01-05-2021, 13:59
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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£88,000 of decorating, of which £58,000 was originally funded from unknown sources - but you knew that, and are just repeating the same old mantra over and over again...
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Yep that's a conspiracy theory unless you can prove otherwise.
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01-05-2021, 17:08
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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Yep that's a conspiracy theory unless you can prove otherwise.
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I don’t have to - the 3 investigations underway at the moment will be doing that…
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02-05-2021, 12:02
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
Let's be honest all leaders have parties they are beholdent to. Personally l couldn't care less who paid for what . Not so simple to think that trade union s don't ' fund " LABOUR . IF THATS THE BEST. THE NEWS CAN FIND . L will stop looking at all
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02-05-2021, 12:20
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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Let's be honest all leaders have parties they are beholdent to. Personally l couldn't care less who paid for what . Not so simple to think that trade union s don't ' fund " LABOUR . IF THATS THE BEST. THE NEWS CAN FIND . L will stop looking at all
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It's not the funding, it's the hiding of where the funding is coming from.
We know that the Unions fund Labour - it's documented, so can be commented upon. We know that businesses contribute to the Tories - it's documented, so it can be queried.
If any politicians is hiding where their funds are coming from, it means they can be influenced without the knowledge of the Electorate - that is the whole point of the Members Interest Register and the Ministers Code of Conduct; transparency, openness, and the ability for other to say "hold on a minute, that group just gave you £nnnn, and now you've passed a bill/spoken in Parliament/had a meeting with Ministers about them".
Also, it can be used as leverage if it's below the radar - "hey, remember that £nnnn I gave you just before you supported a Bill that benefited my cause/business/Union? It would be a shame if that was leaked to the media...".
We know a lot of politicians are lying, cheating, dishonest poltroons - that's why we have processes and procedures to try and limit the more egregious exceptions.
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02-05-2021, 12:29
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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It's not the funding, it's the hiding of where the funding is coming from.
We know that the Unions fund Labour - it's documented, so can be commented upon. We know that businesses contribute to the Tories - it's documented, so it can be queried.
If any politicians is hiding where their funds are coming from, it means they can be influenced without the knowledge of the Electorate - that is the whole point of the Members Interest Register and the Ministers Code of Conduct; transparency, openness, and the ability for other to say "hold on a minute, that group just gave you £nnnn, and now you've passed a bill/spoken in Parliament/had a meeting with Ministers about them".
Also, it can be used as leverage if it's below the radar - "hey, remember that £nnnn I gave you just before you supported a Bill that benefited my cause/business/Union? It would be a shame if that was leaked to the media...".
We know a lot of politicians are lying, cheating, dishonest poltroons - that's why we have processes and procedures to try and limit the more egregious exceptions.
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More like you don't like Boris and are desperate for some mud to stick, reality is most people just don't care. there are bigger things to worry about.
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