Coronavirus

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

There are posts in December, January and February.

2019/2020. Which is over a year ago.

It is ok I get your stance on it and have seen plenty with the same view

Which is.

I wholeheartedly disagree with you

About what?

but I do not have anything to say that has not been said 100 times before

That’s a bit unimaginative.

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by Pierre

2019/2020. Which is over a year ago.


Which is.


About what?


That’s a bit unimaginative.

Dec 2020 is not a year ago.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

Dec 2020 is not a year ago.

Where in December 2020 did I refer to COVID 19 as the flu?

[joglynne]

Press release
Twice weekly rapid testing to be available to everyone in England
Everyone in England will be able to access free, regular, rapid coronavirus (COVID-19) testing from 9 April, the Government has announced.

Some information as to how tests can be obtained.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/t...one-in-england

Originally Posted by Pierre

I didn’t keep saying it’s the flu. I said it a year ago, that you quoted at back at me a year later for some reason?

I’m still holding out for a point over this.

You said it two days ago...

You didn’t compare it to a flu, you said it was, and is, a flu...

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...u#post36076103

QUOTE=Pierre;36076103]I wasn’t wrong, it may not have been “the” flu, which in itself if a vague term as the flu changes annually, but it was, and is “a” flu.

So what’s your point?

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Fine, be offended.



No, just proportionality.



And? I don’t see what that position adds to the discussion.

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It’s not going abroad that is the issue, vaccination certificates could quite easily be a requirement for foreign travel, no issue there.

Domestically, though it is a non-starter.

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The new world order salutes you.

The point is, once again, that it isn’t a flu...

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

You said it two days ago...

You didn’t compare it to a flu, you said it was, and is, a flu...

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...u#post36076103

The point is, once again, that it isn’t a flu...

Prior to you reposting what I said a year ago, a couple of days ago, how many times in the intervening year had I referred to COVID 19 as the flu.?

You brought this up after a year, which begs the question why?

I’m still waiting for your point.

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Prior to you reposting what I said a year ago, a couple of days ago, how many times in the intervening year had I referred to COVID 19 as the flu.?

You brought this up after a year, which begs the question why?

I’m still waiting for your point.

Whatever his point you still called it the flu which is wrong, so you were wrong 2 days ago.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

Whatever his point you still called it the flu which is wrong, so you were wrong 2 days ago.

OK, you obviously didn’t find any, you can leave now, you’re excused.

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by Pierre

OK, you obviously didn’t find any, you can leave now, you’re excused.

let me look back and find out where someone made you boss of me

[Pierre]

Interesting take in the reasons for the campaign to rubbish the AZ vaccine, on Quora.

You can get out your tinfoil had for the next bit: you have been warned. Clearly given the huge price advantage AZ enjoys, no other vaccine has a future once unlimited supplies are available. They have a limited window while scarcity exists to make as much money as they can. Ask yourself whether it suits those rival companies to have the Oxford AZ vaccine discredited as much as possible. To raise doubts about its effectiveness. To taint it with “political” or “ethical” doubts. Ideally all of the above. And ask yourself whether it suits political leaders to amplify this synthetic outrage, partly in defence of local pharmaceutical companies, and partly in anticipation of questions about why they threw hundreds of millions of taxpayers’ money at those companies for no real return, except perhaps to the companies’ shareholders.

https://qr.ae/pG1T5V

He did give a tinfoil hat caveat before proposing his theory, but I can see the logic.

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Originally Posted by Jaymoss

let me look back and find out where someone made you boss of me

You did.

[jfman]

What logic? Capitalists are undermining the cheaper products so they can spend more on vaccines in the long run? That’s, er... compelling.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

What logic? Capitalists are undermining the cheaper products so they can spend more on vaccines in the long run? That’s, er... compelling.

That’s not how I read it. I read it as undermining the cheaper vaccine because.

A. Other vaccine producers, many of which are domestic pharmaceutical companies within the EU and other nations o/s of it, are way behind the curve. So any delay that they can put on the use of the AZ vaccine will help them catch up and get a slice of the pie.

B. The AZ vaccine costs far less than other vaccines, for now at least, so again the need to discredit it.

C. Other countries may have backed and funded the development of other vaccines not yet materialised, the taxpayers of which may question the funding if their vaccine is not needed or widely used.

Have you been drinking again?

Originally Posted by Pierre

Prior to you reposting what I said a year ago, a couple of days ago, how many times in the intervening year had I referred to COVID 19 as the flu.?

You brought this up after a year, which begs the question why?

I’m still waiting for your point.

The point is your history of underestimating the impact of COVID - you said

Long Covid is certainly an issue, not understood yet for a small % of those infected

There isn't enough information to fully assess the impact of Long COVID, but you appear to be (just like you did with COVID) defaulting to "it's not that bad"...

Hope this helps

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by Hugh

The point is your history of underestimating the impact of COVID - you said

There isn't enough information to fully assess the impact of Long COVID, but you appear to be (just like you did with COVID) defaulting to "it's not that bad"...

Hope this helps

it is pretty obvious he will not concede he just wants the back and forth.

Unfortunately Covid has been under estimated by far to many and imo the deniers are the ones who have forced the death rate so high and kept the lockdown running so long. I have no time and less respect for them

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

That’s not how I read it. I read it as undermining the cheaper vaccine because.

A. Other vaccine producers, many of which are domestic pharmaceutical companies within the EU and other nations o/s of it, are way behind the curve. So any delay that they can put on the use of the AZ vaccine will help them catch up and get a slice of the pie.

B. The AZ vaccine costs far less than other vaccines, for now at least, so again the need to discredit it.

C. Other countries may have backed and funded the development of other vaccines not yet materialised, the taxpayers of which may question the funding if their vaccine is not needed or widely used.

Have you been drinking again?

It might not be how you read it, but when you follow through the “logic” that’s exactly what it says.

Capitalists (politicians) would prefer to spend more money on other vaccines than the cheaper AZ vaccine because of the “hundreds of millions” spent backing the development of other products.

For point A) you’re assuming there’s AstraZeneca product unused, discarded or not being produced as a result of these decisions. I highly doubt this is the case - manufacturing of all vaccines will be at maximum capacity for some time. We are already talking about an Autumn booster - that’ll presumably be higher priority than customers further down the AZ order books.

For point B) discredit it to who?

For point C) what you’ve not grasped, and nor did tin foil hat man, is that ending lockdowns and restrictions is worth tens of billions to global economies. The relative buttons spent in vaccine development in the US, EU and UK on products that might never see the light of day is neither here nor there by comparison. No taxpayer is likely to feel that strongly about unsuccessful developments or a short term price premium being paid. Relative to our test and trace system that didn’t work, or dodgy lateral flow tests that are no more reliable than a coin toss, it’s small beer.