Britain outside the EU - Page 21

1andrew1 · 02-02-2021, 00:49

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Has the fashion industry never exported goods outside the EU before? Every country requires papers. Exporting from outside the EU into the EU is no different.

It's worth delving into the issues cited in their lettter - it's increased costs and red tape that are making them less productive and viable.

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Everyone working across the EU, our largest trading partner for imports and exports, will now need costly work permits for each of the member states they visit and a mountain of paperwork for their products and equipment.

Angua · 02-02-2021, 08:28

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

It's worth delving into the issues cited in their lettter - it's increased costs and red tape that are making them less productive and viable.

Sending a container load of goods by sea, may only involve internal transport. Businesses in the UK have been used to taking the goods by lorry across the EU without issue, this is what the simple view of changes is ignoring. When paperwork is needed not only for goods, but the vehicle and driver and VAT and duty, it ends up with massive amounts of bureaucracy.

Sephiroth · 02-02-2021, 09:25

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

It's worth delving into the issues cited in their lettter - it's increased costs and red tape that are making them less productive and viable.

You provided this quote in your last post:

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Everyone working across the EU, our largest trading partner for imports and exports, will now need costly work permits for each of the member states they visit and a mountain of paperwork for their products and equipment.

There will be little doubt in mine and others' minds that you are still peddling the Remain argument.

The Brexit dividend is already being delivered. The short term difficulties will be overcome, obviously. Also we will develop new products and new markets as we join other trade associations.

1andrew1 · 02-02-2021, 11:50

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

You provided this quote in your last post:

There will be little doubt in mine and others' minds that you are still peddling the Remain argument.

The Brexit dividend is already being delivered. The short term difficulties will be overcome, obviously. Also we will develop new products and new markets as we join other trade associations.

You can't vaccine-wash away the issues faced by hard-working British business men and women, Seph. Talk of Remain arguments is poppycock, we left the EU and you need to move on and bat for British business. Making a success of Brexit doesn't mean pretending these issues don't exist.

Countries do most of their trade with those closest to them - as British business has repeatedly pointed out.

This is due to the gravity of trade. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravit...de#:~:text=The gravity model of international trade in international,evidence that trade tends to fall with distance."

Sephiroth · 02-02-2021, 12:39

Well, of course these issues exist. But bringing this up (again) in the manner that you have (and are doing again in your post) is pure Remainer dogma.

I could recant what I've said if the weight of forum opinion sided with you.

Remember what I have said:

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The short term difficulties will be overcome, obviously.

tweetiepooh · 02-02-2021, 13:08

One problem is with food products is that they are ready now, you often can't just wait to sort things out. The lead times are also less easy to vary than "dead stuff".

**Hugh** · 02-02-2021, 15:57

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55904189

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Brexit: Michael Gove calls for extension of Brexit grace periods

Cabinet Office Minister Michael Gove has called for grace periods to be extended, to allow businesses more time to adapt to new Irish Sea border processes.

The EU's usual rules on customs and product standards are not yet being fully enforced at NI ports.

The first of the grace periods agreed by the UK and EU is set to expire at the end of March.

NI Secretary Brandon Lewis previously said he did not expect any extensions.

But speaking on Tuesday in the House of Commons, Mr Gove said there were "serious problems" with the NI Protocol that needed to be addressed.

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Prime Minister Boris Johnson previously played down concerns about the protocol and called them "teething problems", but Mr Gove said he would not describe them this way.

"We do need to make sure grace periods are extended so that supermarkets can continue to provide consumers with goods they need," he said.

The minister said he would write to the EU with "specific proposals", and confirmed a meeting would take place with Stormont's first and deputy first ministers, Arlene Foster and Michelle O'Neill, on Wednesday along his with EU counterpart European Commission Vice-President Maros Sefcovic.

papa smurf · 02-02-2021, 16:02

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Originally Posted by Hugh

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55904189

And there is this

UK border chaos as trucks get waivers - trade rules SCRAPPED in angry scenes
TENSIONS over the Northern Ireland protocol have escalated into "troubling" threats to trade staff, forcing post-Brexit food checks at Larne and Belfast ports to be suspended over safety concerns.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...in-poots-daera

The graffiti objected to the perceived "Irish Sea border" imposed as a result of terms of the Brexit trade deal with the EU.

Ulster loyalists, who oppose any divergence between Northern Ireland the rest of the UK, are believed to be behind the messages.

1andrew1 · 02-02-2021, 18:11

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Well, of course these issues exist. But bringing this up (again) in the manner that you have (and are doing again in your post) is pure Remainer dogma.

I could recant what I've said if the weight of forum opinion sided with you.

Remember what I have said:

I'm not sure what forum opinion has got to do with anything. Should we ignore news stories that don't fit a positive agenda or try and make things work better for the good of the country?

How short-term is short term? It's now over a month since we started operating according to the terms of the trade agreement and things don't look fantastic. That's even with EU imports not being checked, that only happens in July.

Seafood company Samways explains that the issues are more fundamental than just teething troubles. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/business-55847259

And short-term seems to be permanent if you're a shellfisherman. EU shellfish import ban permanent, UK fishing industry told

Sephiroth · 02-02-2021, 18:59

The Remainers see it as disaster after only 1 month.

Reasonable people say it'll sort itself out in due course or words to that effect.

**Hugh** · 02-02-2021, 19:38

Highlighting issues is not saying it’s a disaster -you’re putting forward a straw man argument that no one has stated.

**Maggy** · 02-02-2021, 21:35

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Highlighting issues is not saying it’s a disaster -you’re putting forward a straw man argument that no one has stated.

Sephiroth · 02-02-2021, 21:40

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Highlighting issues is not saying it’s a disaster -you’re putting forward a straw man argument that no one has stated.

Not a straw man argument at all. You're just being difficult. It doesn't have to be stated for it to be correctly inferred -a as in realms of ....

Mr K · 02-02-2021, 21:48

These straw men get everywhere on here !

Back in the real world firms are seeing increased costs. E.g. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-...shire-55894650
The fall out is coming which is going to cost jobs.

1andrew1 · 02-02-2021, 22:02

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Originally Posted by Mr K

These straw men get everywhere on here !

Back in the real world firms are seeing increased costs. E.g. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-...shire-55894650
The fall out is coming which is going to cost jobs.

They do seem to get about more than the Elf on the Shelf after the parents have had a few dry sherries.