22-01-2021, 23:55
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laeva recumbens anguis
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Pierre
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Your 2015 links states that up to 50 per day were being admitted to hospital.
Your 2018 link states that 421 patients were admitted to hospital with flu in the week ending 31st December 2017.
2019 link states 237 admissions in a week.
On Monday, 18th January 2021, 4034 patients were admitted that day with COVID.
50 a day (350 per week), 421 in a week, 237 in a week vs 4034 in a day...
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23-01-2021, 00:24
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The Dark Satanic Mills
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Hugh
Your 2015 links states that up to 50 per day were being admitted to hospital.
Your 2018 link states that 421 patients were admitted to hospital with flu in the week ending 31st December 2017.
2019 link states 237 admissions in a week.
On Monday, 18th January 2021, 4034 patients were admitted that day with COVID.
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The claim was the flu never overwhelmed the NHS. Those links quote NHS leaders claiming the NHS was being or about to be overwhelmed by the flu.
The degree of the overwhelming or capacity of the NHS at the time of the overwhelming can be debated.
In any event the claims of the NHS being overwhelmed by the flu in those links is not a fabrication, I’m just posting the links.
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23-01-2021, 00:38
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Re: Coronavirus
Pierre is right. They hyped up the need for vaccination by also playing the "will be overwhelmed" card.
In the event, 'flu was a big flop and hardly happened by comparison with Covid.
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23-01-2021, 01:36
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Pierre
The claim was the flu never overwhelmed the NHS. Those links quote NHS leaders claiming the NHS was being or about to be overwhelmed by the flu.
The degree of the overwhelming or capacity of the NHS at the time of the overwhelming can be debated.
In any event the claims of the NHS being overwhelmed by the flu in those links is not a fabrication, I’m just posting the links.
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As with anywhere they can reprioritise resource for a period of time. However that impacts on what we would consider 'non-critical' care.
In respect of Covid this would mean reprioritising all non-critical operations and care for months on end. The NHS doesn't have spare staff/capacity just hanging around waiting for a pandemic.
Overwhelmed is unfortunately a subjective phrase, but if we pin it down by any methodology going Covid is worse than flu, for longer than flu.
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23-01-2021, 11:04
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by jfman
As with anywhere they can reprioritise resource for a period of time. However that impacts on what we would consider 'non-critical' care.
In respect of Covid this would mean reprioritising all non-critical operations and care for months on end. The NHS doesn't have spare staff/capacity just hanging around waiting for a pandemic.
Overwhelmed is unfortunately a subjective phrase, but if we pin it down by any methodology going Covid is worse than flu, for longer than flu.
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The pre-Covid Pandemic planning was based on a Flu type virus, which has since been shown as woefully short sighted. This included the massive rush to create the Nightingales as a solution, when they were not suitable for Covid-19 treatments. Let alone having any awareness of NHS staff shortages.
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23-01-2021, 12:54
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Re: Coronavirus
More info on the 30% more fatal claim.
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“The 30 per cent more lethal claim about the virus rests on a very fragile and uncertain base of evidence. NERVTAG has expressed limited confidence in this figure, which should not be the basis for public alarm.”
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Look who briefed Peston before official disclosure.
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He was briefed about the story by the infectious disease modeller Neil Ferguson, who told Peston: “It is a realistic possibility that the new UK variant increases the risk of death… So for 60-year-olds, 13 in 1000 might die compared with 10 in 1000 for old strains.”
Given the uncertainty of the data, it is unclear why Ferguson, a controversial figure, thought it necessary to brief Peston before the relevant information had been properly disclosed. Critics may say that in a public health crisis, transparency and predictability in government decision-making is absolutely vital both to preserve public trust and to ensure proper accountability.
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https://reaction.life/30-per-cent-mo...ervtag-member/
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23-01-2021, 13:11
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Paul
I think Saga have lost the plot.
You dont get a certificate or a badge when vaccinated.
On top of that, they want you to take a test & full medical screening as well.
I would start looking elsewhere for a cruise, there is being careful, and there is OTT madness, they are taking option 2.
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Actually you do of sorts
My dad was given a credit card sized card which had the vaccine type and batch number, and date of injection.
There is a space for writing the second vaccine information
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23-01-2021, 14:07
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by pip08456
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How you present the figures matters.
3 extra deaths, up from 10 does indeed make 30%
I’m not a maths wizard but a more realistic metric would be 3 more deaths in a thousand that is only an increase of 0.3%.
Using the first method if it 1 person that dies in a million, and new strain killed 2 people per million the headline would be “ new variant 100% more deadly” .
I remain not scared.
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23-01-2021, 18:43
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Re: Coronavirus
They cannot decide if the new variant is more lethal, scientists are now arguing that it is or isn’t.
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23-01-2021, 18:49
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Mick
They cannot decide if the new variant is more lethal, scientists are now arguing that it is or isn’t.
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Professor Boris said it is more dangerous, he's the only scientist that matters. He knows his stuff.
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24-01-2021, 09:49
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Mick
They cannot decide if the new variant is more lethal, scientists are now arguing that it is or isn’t.
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Hancock is pushing it on sky news, he's wangled new variant into every sentence, must be topping 100 times, but has no info on it, Boris should make him minister for whataboutery.
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24-01-2021, 10:13
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The Dark Satanic Mills
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Re: Coronavirus
It’s the weekly Sunday Scare’em routine. The new variant is lurking behind the bushes and is going to jump out and kill you if you leave the house.
Have you heard the radio ads? “If you’re on public transport or in the park, it like the people around you will be infected with coronavirus”........... really.
Keep ‘em scared, keep’em scared.
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24-01-2021, 10:44
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laeva recumbens anguis
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Re: Coronavirus
Just ignore the 4000+ a day hospital admissions with COVID, and the 1200+ deaths a day - they’re just scare tactics...
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24-01-2021, 11:24
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The Dark Satanic Mills
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Hugh
Just ignore the 4000+ a day hospital admissions with COVID, and the 1200+ deaths a day - they’re just scare tactics...
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Finally you’re getting it. .........
No, of course the numbers are real. Like I’ve said on here many times I don’t believe lockdowns are the answer.
But the government do, and the best way to control a population is to scare them into obedience.
The figures are what they are, but it is still at the end of the day for the vast majority a mild disease
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Last edited by Pierre; 24-01-2021 at 11:28.
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24-01-2021, 11:27
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laeva recumbens anguis
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Pierre
Finally you’re getting it.
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Apologies - I forgot the < sarcasm> tags...
I wonder if the 4K+ plus people admitted every day lately realise they’re not really ill, just a propaganda tactic?
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