U.S Election 2020

Originally Posted by Carth

Many are writing off Trump 2024, seemingly forgetting that these are Americans we're talking about.

A Country full of armed religious nutcases, still looking for 'commies' under their beds, thinking they're World Leaders, obsessed with the psychoanalysis of themselves and their pets.

I bet there are some that still vote Carter & Nixon

Precisely. Trump over the last four years has been very controversial. One last controversial act won’t diminish his loyal base. He could make a statement that red, is no longer red and they would take him for his every word.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by jfman

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The good news would be a third party has no chance in a Presidential election.

Dismissing something because it hasn't happened previously is folly... Rightly or wrongly, he has a message that people believe in and want to hear...

[jfman]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Dismissing something because it hasn't happened previously is folly... Rightly or wrongly, he has a message that people believe in and want to hear...

He does to a minority of MAGA morons. However he also relies upon moderate Republicans to get to his current voter share. Whether it's 20%, 30% if he fractures the Party he still doesn't get to the share he needs.

Would be fun to watch in a morbid way though.

The question is what happens for the remaining days? Does Trump lie low content with that last statement or does he come back and fan the flames further?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

Precisely. Trump over the last four years has been very controversial. One last controversial act won’t diminish his loyal base. He could make a statement that red, is no longer red and they would take him for his every word.

I think because you wanted Trump to win this election, your judgement is being clouded on this issue, Mick. You predicted that Trump would win this election and he has lost it.

I think a pragmatic approach will be adopted by the Republican Party and the following questions will be asked:

1) Would you select a candidate who has lost once before in an election?
2) Would you select an ageing candidate?
3) Would you select a candidate whose tweets are linked to inciting a riot on Capitol Hill
4) Would you select a candidate who can't accept defeat at the polls?

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I think because you wanted Trump to win this election, your judgement is being clouded on this issue, Mick. You predicted that Trump would win this election and he has lost it.

I think a pragmatic approach will be adopted by the Republican Party and the following questions will be asked:

1) Would you select a candidate who has lost once before in an election?
2) Would you select an ageing candidate?
3) Would you select a candidate whose tweets are linked to inciting a riot on Capitol Hill
4) Would you select a candidate who can't accept defeat at the polls?

I did want him to win, but that doesn’t mean I support him. Joe Biden’s presidency won’t solve America’s problems. He will make them worse. That is if he is there that long. His cognitive decline will see him ousted or he may just get too frail to do the job. He may die in office. But U.S will now go hard to the left. We are probably still heading to civil war territory. The divide won’t go away.

American "hard to the left" is European "middle of the road".

From NPR

Sanders and "Squad" members Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Rashida Tlaib identify as Democratic Socialists, their vision is more aligned with Scandinavian nations such as Denmark and Sweden, where universal health care and a wide range of social benefits — and higher taxes — are the norm, but capitalism still prevails, rather than with countries such as Venezuela and Cuba, where the state does control major industries, and authoritarians rule.

https://www.npr.org/2020/08/25/90589...=1610024118640

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

American "hard to the left" is European "middle of the road".

Really? ANTIFA middle of the road?

The problem (well one of them) in American politics is that there is no Left or Right anymore.

Nobody says Left or Right, and there is certainly no "centre"

you are now (according to the media and others) either "far left" or "far right" regardless of where you are on the spectrum.

If you voted for Trump you're "far right" regardless of whether you are or not and vice versa.

it's too polarised and won't change anytime soon.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

From NPR

it's a common misconception to Americans that Scandinavian countries are some kind of socialist utopia.

Yes they have a well funded welfare state but Free market economies and deregulation live happily there.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Mick

I did want him to win, but that doesn’t mean I support him. Joe Biden’s presidency won’t solve America’s problems. He will make them worse. That is if he is there that long. His cognitive decline will see him ousted or he may just get too frail to do the job. He may die in office. But U.S will now go hard to the left. We are probably still heading to civil war territory. The divide won’t go away.

There's no majority in America for a swing to the left. It's a myth propogated in the bowels of the internet howled into the same dangerous echo chambers that led to the events of yesterday.

Neither is there any substantive evidence of a cognitive decline on the part of Biden. Certainly not compared to Trump, who now has the mentality of a baby, surrounding himself in a make believe world to sooth his own ego.

The divides in America may well persist, but if they do it'll be because people are ignorant to reality and arguably beyond help. Interested to know how Trump would propose to heal divides that his political success relied on stoking.

[Carth]

When Trump was elected President, I thought "wow, this could be good, someone who doesn't follow the 'safe' line, has no problem saying things as they are, and has the bottle to stand up against the namby pamby brigade."

It seemed that is what Americans voted for, but have now changed their minds. I guess it's back to the usual format for the next 18 months . . until VP whatshername takes over . . then they'll probably want Trump back

Everyone wants to have their cake bullets and eat them

[1andrew1]

Biden will be a safe middle-of-the-road pair of hands for his four-year term.

I suspect the next Republican presidential candidate in 2024 will be middle-of-the-road too, to try and wean some of those who voted for Joe Biden across to the Republican candidate. With Kamala Harris likely as the 2024 Democrat candidate, this strategy could work. She will need to work to present herself as a safe pair of hands over the next four years and as his natural successor.

Originally Posted by jfman

Neither is there any substantive evidence of a cognitive decline on the part of Biden.

Yes there is plenty of evidence of it. He is in cognitive decline - end of discussion or argument of it.

Originally Posted by Mick

Yes there is plenty of evidence of it. He is in cognitive decline - end of discussion or argument of it.

Have you any links?

Originally Posted by Maggy

Have you any links?

I have posted plenty of evidence in this thread. We are no longer discussing Biden's gaffes linked to his cognitive decline as per Paul's instruction earlier in the thread and now mine.

Originally Posted by Paul

Thats enough about gaffs, move on people.

Facebook extending their ban on Trump.