U.S Election 2020

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Mick

Yes you could say, he is acting like most of the Remoaners, have been on here for last four and half years.

l am a remainer but l accepted the result because l believe in democracy like most do on this forum.

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Originally Posted by Mick

it’s the same thing and the Remainers on here ranting about Trump not respecting Democracy, do us a favour. Stop being pathetic hypocrites.

And you think Trump is respecting democracy? because the very clear fact he is doing nothing of the sort but you know that anyway as it seems you want to turn the other cheek when it involves someone you strongly supported politically.

You cannot have your cake and eat it Mick...

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by denphone

Yeah he does not seem too keen on proper democratic democracy does he..

I don't think it's that, although he does seem particularly fond of the company of leaders who, shall we say, don't always tick the democracy box.

But I think in this instance that he genuinely believes that he won.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Mick

Trump not respecting Democracy, do us a favour. Stop being pathetic hypocrites.

But are you not the hypocrite for saying you believe in democracy when its quite clear that Trump is doing everything he can to not respect the democratic mandate of the people and yet you think there is nothing wrong with his actions.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

Trump could order a military coup and his supporters will buy into whatever spin he gives.

His flock of supporters may buy into his spin. But I doubt the army would obey the coup orders though.

Originally Posted by denphone

l am a remainer but l accepted the result because l believe in democracy like most do on this forum.

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And you think Trump is respecting democracy? because the very clear fact he is doing nothing of the sort but you know that anyway as it seems you want to turn the other cheek when it involves someone you strongly supported politically.

You cannot have your cake and eat it Mick...

Cake and eat it?

Wtf you talking about?

I don’t want any cake. I accepted weeks ago Trump lost. I’ve barely posted in this thread for weeks.

Yes I support the idea that Democrats cheat, they do and there is evidence of this when they cooked up a fake Russian dossier, paid for by them and Hillary Clinton in 2016, in an attempt to get Trump out of office via impeachment. Because I believe this, doesn’t mean I support Trump.

I do not support Trump, I’m sick of saying this. I do however refuse to jump on the “Trump man bad” bandwagon, that many of you are on, have been on, that isn’t supporting him, I have heavily defended him, but that does not equal supporting him. If I was a US citizen, I would have abstained in the last two elections.

Joe Biden has, on appearance, a serious health problem, he is suffering from a cognitive decline issue. He will be the 46th President of the United States, but not for long. Kamala Harris will need to be sworn in as the 47th president, when the 25th Amendment is used.

What the last two elections have shown, the U.S Election process is mundane, outdated and prolonged than it needs to be.

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Originally Posted by denphone

But are you not the hypocrite for saying you believe in democracy when its quite clear that Trump is doing everything he can to not respect the democratic mandate of the people and yet you think there is nothing wrong with his actions.

Stop putting words in my mouth Denphone and more importantly, wind your neck in. I have not said ever in this thread, he isn’t doing anything wrong, I have not passed any judgment on his actions. I have said infrequently, I do believe however that Democrats have cheated, like they always do. But this doesn’t mean I don’t accept Trump lost.

Quite frankly and to be totally truthful, I really haven’t cared much, pretty much because I live in the UK, not the U.S.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Damien

Trump could order a military coup and his supporters will buy into whatever spin he gives.

that kind of statement is akin to calling Brexit voters, stupid, racist, uneducated.......etc.

Many voted for Trump because he offered an alternative, and I wouldn't bet against the next republican (whoever they may be) winning in 4 years, after Biden/Harris have dished out 4 more years of what they were sick of.

You don't have to like the man to vote for him, if you think he'd do a job for you.

Originally Posted by Mick

What the last two elections have shown, the U.S Election process is mundane, outdated and prolonged than it needs to be.[COLOR="Silver"]

Agree with that. It's a joke.

Different voting systems and different rules in every state. They should not have electronic voting systems because it's so much easier for people to claim they're rigged, unlike paper.

They should all have the same rules on postal voting and when votes are within the allowed window and not. They should all be allowed to count them early as Flordia did and we do.

I know it's not currently constitutional but they need to have federal elections regulated by federal laws and federal bodies. They cannot legitimately claim this is a matter of States Rights when they're electing people to national office. There is no reason to leave it up to the States how their electors vote when it impacts the entire country. They're not sending people to Washington via horse and cart anymore and the country is already far more federalised than their founders intended because it turns out a great many things are more efficient if they're unified.

[Stephen]

That phone call is shocking. Trump clearly trying to get state officials to 'find' enough votes for him to steal the Georgia vote. Its been recounted3 time each with the same result. Trump lost and there was no fraud or cheating involved. However his constant whining has goths followers believing that there was fraud.

The sooner he is outofofficethe better.

Same with his suggesting that Biden is suffering dementia. Its simply not true.

Originally Posted by Pierre

that kind of statement is akin to calling Brexit voters, stupid, racist, uneducated.......etc.

Many voted for Trump because he offered an alternative, and I wouldn't bet against the next republican (whoever they may be) winning in 4 years, after Biden/Harris have dished out 4 more years of what they were sick of.

You don't have to like the man to vote for him, if you think he'd do a job for you.

Where then is the pushback from within this base against this absurd attempt to overturn the election? Even the wider Republican Party is largely keeping quiet whilst the Trump base in Congress is actively seeking to challenge the counts this week.

When the court process failed they instead shifted to trying to find other ways of overturning the election but this time without due process. States were pressured to not certify, in Georgia's police had to protect the Republican Secretary of State because of the threats they were getting.

The election held up because a few people in these key positions refused to overrule process. It's incredibly dangerous.

Originally Posted by Stephen

Same with his suggesting that Biden is suffering dementia. Its simply not true.

Joe Biden is suffering from Cognitive Decline. The stage before a Dementia diagnosis. I can say that because I work and have qualifications in healthcare. All the gaffes and memory lapses in his speeches shows this decline to be totally apparent.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

Joe Biden is suffering from Cognitive Decline. The stage before a Dementia diagnosis. I can say that because I work and have qualifications in healthcare. All the gaffes and memory lapses in his speeches shows this decline to be totally apparent.

Maybe he's just old? He seems more switched on than most 78 year olds. The US has history here- Ronald Reagan wasn't exactly a bright spark. They should have an age limit.
He has a very capable deputy anyway and isn't a power mad narcissistic criminal dictator, so that's a definite
improvement.

[Dave42]

hopefully the tape make sure the democrats win Georgia senate seats and they have majority

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Mick

Joe Biden is suffering from Cognitive Decline. The stage before a Dementia diagnosis. I can say that because I work and have qualifications in healthcare. All the gaffes and memory lapses in his speeches shows this decline to be totally apparent.

My mum and mother in law both have alzheimers and dementia I certainly know the signs and stages. Biden is not suffering cognitive decline. No matter what Trump tries to claim. He himself is prone to memory lapses and problems with walking and slurring his words from time to time.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Stephen

My mum and mother in law both have alzheimers and dementia I certainly know the signs and stages. Biden is not suffering cognitive decline. No matter what Trump tries to claim. He himself is prone to memory lapses and problems with walking and slurring his words from time to time.

It's really a speech/stutter issue isn't it?

https://websterjournal.com/2020/11/1...ly-not-a-joke/

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

It's really a speech/stutter issue isn't it?

https://websterjournal.com/2020/11/1...ly-not-a-joke/

Yes and airforce one is a flying pig.