Coronavirus

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

It's a hard life being an impartial observer, people don't know which direction to call me.

I know exactly when and where (thread) to judge your impartiality.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

At what point does it reach the threshold that it's what the nation wants and those against lockdown "shouldn't force their will upon the nation"? A majority of local authorities? A majority of the population by local authority?

You have no way of quantifying that, so it’s mute point.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

If the leadership in Liverpool feel a national lockdown is in the best interests of their city, then surely it makes sense for them to advocate for it?

If they’re so worried the can shut the M58, M62 and both tunnels.


Anyway, just got an email from my school advising they will be open tomorrow, so no worries for now.

[Hom3r]

There is one funny thing about coronavirus.


Who would have thought that you could walk into a bank asking for money and not have the police hunting you down.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

You have no way of quantifying that, so it’s mute point.

Still I’d be keen to hear your thoughts on it.

Unless of course it brings us to the crux if the matter...

If they’re so worried the can shut the M58, M62 and both tunnels.


Anyway, just got an email from my school advising they will be open tomorrow, so no worries for now.

Which is you don’t want to home school your own kids, regardless of the situation with the pandemic.

Whether one local authority wants to close, or they all do, you’ll simply move from argument to argument against lockdown/further restrictions. It’s got nothing to do with one council imposing it’s will on the country at large, and got even less to do with your concern for vulnerable children.

Breaking: Sir Keir has fell off the fence and called for new national restrictions in the next 24 hours.

[Sephiroth]

If I may, I'd like to re-ask a question that's lost in the backlog.

Does anyone know whether or not the vaccines will protect against any coronavirus, given that it is the spike mechanism being targeted?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

There is one funny thing about coronavirus.


Who would have thought that you could walk into a bank asking for money and not have the police hunting you down.

You’ve omitted a fundamental part of the joke!

[Mad Max]

If we get two feet of snow to cover the whole country for a few weeks that'll keep everyone in, and a lot of people very happy, and banish this nasty disease.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

If I may, I'd like to re-ask a question that's lost in the backlog.

Does anyone know whether or not the vaccines will protect against any coronavirus, given that it is the spike mechanism being targeted?

They believe so, as the vaccines produces antibodies against many regions in the spike protein, and it is unlikely a single change would make the vaccines less effective, but can’t confirm it until the vaccine is rolled out.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

Still I’d be keen to hear your thoughts on it.

Unless of course it brings us to the crux if the matter...

You’d need some kind of referendum to get an answer of what the population think but the Bottom line is the local authorities and government will do what they want, and whatever that is I’ll/ we’ll have to live with it and comply with it, even if we don’t like it.

Let’s face it, you’re not even allowed to protest against it! We’ve even lost that right, even if only temporarily........I sincerely would hope.

Which is you don’t want to home school your own kids, regardless of the situation with the pandemic.

it’s not a question of wanting. Mrs Pierre and I were not/have not or been not furloughed. We have both works full time through the pandemic.

This is not a complaint, we have been very lucky that our earnings haven’t suffered and we still have our jobs, But you cannot work full time and home school. Not possible,anyone that says they can are lying....IMO.

Whether one local authority wants to close, or they all do, you’ll simply move from argument to argument against lockdown/further restrictions.

I will yes, because I don’t believe they are the answer, and I have been consistent with that point since the start.

It’s got nothing to do with one council imposing it’s will on the country at large, and got even less to do with your concern for vulnerable children.

On the contrary, as a parent I have concern for any vulnerable child.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

That logic holds true so long as you are vaccinating considerably more people than those contracting the disease.

Well, that and the fact that to my knowledge it’s still not known if the vaccines prevent transmission in the first place.

That’s true, but once the vulnerable are inoculated, we don’t have to worry about transmission in terms of overwhelming the NHS.

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

How do you protect the vulnerable against a disease that is in most cases asymptomatic and using vaccines that we don’t currently know prevent transmission ?

By vaccinating the vulnerable, of course.

[jfman]

So are we waiting on vaccines Old Boy or just letting it rip? I keep losing track.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

The great Swedish success story as it's known. Dead Swedes and a recession to boot.

Sweden has proved that with or without a lockdown, the virus is still out there. New Zealand is sitting pretty at present, but unless it gets people vaccinated pretty darned quick, it will get to them too.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Sweden has proved that with or without a lockdown, the virus is still out there.

Sweden not tackling the problem has resulted in Sweden still having the virus out there

Well of course it did. Out there killing their elderly, harming their economy.

New Zealand is sitting pretty at present, but unless it gets people vaccinated pretty darned quick, it will get to them too.

New Zealand is indeed sitting pretty, the whole economy open except international travel. Christmas Parties, household mixing, full sports stadiums, the lot.

They also have a vaccine strategy. Superb stuff.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...onomy-rebounds

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Hugh

How do you "protect" 17 million people?

What about their families - how do we prevent them from infecting the vulnerable?

First of all, the care homes should have processes in place to isolate residents from the virus. About half of all deaths during the first wave were care home residents.

Those vulnerable people in the community should be advised on how to keep safe, and those living with them should as well.

BREAKING: Labour Leader Keir Starmer, calls on Prime Minister Boris Johnson, to enact another national lockdown within the next 24 hours because Covid-19 is out of control.