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1andrew1 · 22-12-2020, 17:39

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Originally Posted by jonbxx

Holy cow, that's a lot of trucks - https://news.sky.com/video/brexit-lo...ypark-12169972

Let's hope this can be cleared so these poor drivers can get home soon

I can only see 174.

jonbxx · 22-12-2020, 17:46

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Originally Posted by Mr K

You have to worry about what they are doing about the toilet. Numbers ones is dealable with, number twos a different ball game....

No food or drink should limit that

Did wonder though if there were any big buildings full of beds that are empty right now to put them up in. Maybe in the Excel Centre?

Pierre · 22-12-2020, 17:47

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Originally Posted by Mick

BREAKING: Wales is now the highest increase of Covid-19 infection rates per Capita, in the World!

https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/s...196231/photo/1

good to see all those Lockdowns paying dvidends

**Chris** · 22-12-2020, 17:48

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Where's your evidence for that, Ben?

I’m likewise curious to see the evidence that HMG has based its vaccine procurement policy on the likely cost.

As far as I can see, the principal components of the portfolio the government pre-ordered are an mRNA vaccine by Pfizer-BioNTech and a viral vector vaccine by Oxford-AstraZeneca. The former is the riskier because it is novel technology so is more expensive (most expensive of the lot in fact). The alternative mRNA vaccine is produced by Moderna and is somewhat cheaper, however it is a bigger risk because Moderna has never produced a vaccine before now.

The UK government procurement strategy appears to have been based on calculating risk and investing in a way that hedges against that risk. Despite the portfolio being biased towards the much cheaper Oxford vaccine, if the overall strategy had been driven by cost you would have expected them to lay their riskier bet with the cheaper Moderna mRNA vaccine as the EU did, rather than Pfizer.

It’s worth noting, on the subject of the Moderna vaccine, that when they announced their excellent trial results a few days after Pfizer, there was much shrill squealing from the usual suspects at how the EU had preordered that one and we hadn’t. To date, the Moderna vaccine has only been approved in the USA (at the end of last week). It won’t be approved in the EU before 6 January. The Pfizer vaccine was approved in the EU yesterday - almost 3 weeks behind the UK. Something that should be repeated loudly and often.

nomadking · 22-12-2020, 18:05

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Originally Posted by pip08456

Misrepresentation. There was a big dump of figures.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...nance-12165127

They were already high.
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Wales, already at its highest case rate so far, saw a jump to 530.2 cases per 100,000 for the most recent seven days, to 12 December.

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Eight council areas in Wales are in the 10 hardest-hit areas in the UK for case rates in latest comparison.
There are 14 out of 22 council areas which have their highest case rates so far - including Denbighshire, Flintshire and Wrexham.

The previous figures made it look like the rates were dropping, when they weren't really.
Wales only.

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How many people are in hospital with coronavirus?

The number of Covid patients in hospital on 21 December was 2,342, 218 (9%) more than the week before. The numbers this week have been climbing and are once again the highest number recorded
Cwm Taf Morgannwg health board has seen a 15% rise in Covid patients
It has risen over the week in all areas, apart from Cardiff and Vale, while Aneurin Bevan has the most patients - 636 - which means 47.8% of all patients in the health board have Covid-19

Sephiroth · 22-12-2020, 18:19

You don't hear anything about the Nightingale hospitals. Anyone know anything on that front?

**Chris** · 22-12-2020, 18:22

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

You don't hear anything about the Nightingale hospitals. Anyone know anything on that front?

Glasgow is still available for use if required. At present it’s being used as a training hub and for outpatient clinics.

denphone · 22-12-2020, 18:23

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

You don't hear anything about the Nightingale hospitals. Anyone know anything on that front?

l don't think they are using them because they simply don't have the enough available trained staff to staff them.

papa smurf · 22-12-2020, 18:24

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

You don't hear anything about the Nightingale hospitals. Anyone know anything on that front?

Given the draconian measures taken by the gov one would imagine they are full to bursting, but we all know they aren't.

**Chris** · 22-12-2020, 18:25

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Originally Posted by denphone

l don't think they are using them because they simply don't have the available trained staff to staff them.

Bolleaux.

They’re not using them because the regular hospitals haven’t exceeded capacity. The Nightingales are for emergency use if covid cases start overwhelming regular ICU provision. Nobody wants to start lining patients up in a conference centre unless they have to.

denphone · 22-12-2020, 18:27

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Originally Posted by jonbxx

No food or drink should limit that

Did wonder though if there were any big buildings full of beds that are empty right now to put them up in. Maybe in the Excel Centre?

Actually some local Kent Sikhs and the Kent Police are about to deliver them some cooked hot meals and drinks.

Carth · 22-12-2020, 18:29

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The number of Covid patients in hospital on 21 December was 2,342

Just to set the mood . . I wonder if the figure quoted is obtained in a similar fashion to the 'died within 28 days of a positive test' that we keep seeing?

for example, a chap in hospital with gallstones, that has tested positive yet is asymptomatic, could very easily be classed as a hospital patient 'with Covid'

not that I'm at all suggesting 'data' is being used in such a way to support the ongoing frenzy

papa smurf · 22-12-2020, 18:30

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Originally Posted by denphone

Actually some local Kent Sikhs and the Kent Police are about to deliver them some cooked hot meals and drinks.

Very kind of them, and the poor sods must stink by now stuck in a small space with no facilities.

denphone · 22-12-2020, 18:30

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Originally Posted by Chris

Bolleaux.

They’re not using them because the regular hospitals haven’t exceeded capacity. The Nightingales are for emergency use if covid cases start overwhelming regular ICU provision. Nobody wants to start lining patients up in a conference centre unless they have to.

So this is bolleaux then..

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/n...tage-jlr26p6kf

**Chris** · 22-12-2020, 18:36

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Originally Posted by denphone

So this is bolleaux then..

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/n...tage-jlr26p6kf

Nope, your earlier post is bolleaux.

The Times’ claim that “some may never fully open because of staff shortage” is rather different to yours, “l don't think they are using them because they simply don't have the available trained staff to staff them,” though I suspect it too is wide of the mark.

It’s blindingly obvious that these places couldn’t operate at full capacity based on existing NHS human resource. Where exactly would all those people be working right now? If things got so bad that the Nightingales got anywhere near busy we would be right into civil contingencies territory, and probably deploying every field medic in the armed forces to help out.

The answer to Seph’s question is that they have been used as required, and in the case of Glasgow at least, it is being used to train staff and to provide outpatient services away from regular hospitals.