UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

The UK is offering a phased approach which doesn't suit the EU.

Why do you speak for the EU (though you'll deny it)?

I see the logic in a phased approach. Though given how much of the English fishing rights have been sold to our Continental friends, I wonder what's actually up for grabs?

I'm not speaking for the EU, just explaining their motivations.

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Originally Posted by Pierre

What bollocks...

I'm sure your post is a thing of beauty and would convince Barnier he is in the wrong. But with that introduction I'm afraid you've lost my attention!

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I'm sure your post is a thing of beauty and would convince Barnier he is in the wrong. But with that introduction I'm afraid you've lost my attention!

Well it’s accurate, and that you choose to not address the points raised speaks volumes.

In fact you don’t need to respond, your silence is deafening.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I see the logic in a phased approach. Though given how much of the English fishing rights have been sold to our Continental friends, I wonder what's actually up for grabs?

I'm not speaking for the EU, just explaining their motivations.

<SNIP>

The commercial sale of any proportion of the UK's fishing quota is one of the few sovereign things that remain for us at this time. What now remains to be achieved is to gain full sovereign control of our waters so that what hasn't been sold can be used by a revitalised UK fishing industry,

As for your "not speaking for the EU" everyone knows what the EU is doing and what their motivations are. You announce the EU's motivations with such frequency that it comes across as a sour grapes Remainer's "I told you so" stuck in the groove.

If we end up with no deal, you'll be part of the effort needed to make us great again, won't you?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

The commercial sale of any proportion of the UK's fishing quota is one of the few sovereign things that remain for us at this time. What now remains to be achieved is to gain full sovereign control of our waters so that what hasn't been sold can be used by a revitalised UK fishing industry,

As for your "not speaking for the EU" everyone knows what the EU is doing and what their motivations are. You announce the EU's motivations with such frequency that it comes across as a sour grapes Remainer's "I told you so" stuck in the groove.

If we end up with no deal, you'll be part of the effort needed to make us great again, won't you?

We're already great, Seph, we're both very privileged to live in such a great country. Are you indicating that we'll all have to work harder to maintain our existing standards of living in the event of our failing to negotiate a deal?

The fishing industry is unlikely to prosper through Brexit as Brexit delivers increased red tape, form-filling and delays. Delays = lower prices as freshness is everything. See Live shellfish exporters in England have warned a wave of form-filling, certification and tariffs will hit the industry in 2021.

I've seen so much nonsense written about the EU's position, with snowflakes claiming that they're trying to punish us, that it's sometimes useful to revisit the facts.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

We're already great, Seph, we're both very privileged to live in such a great country. Are you indicating that we'll all have to work harder to maintain our existing standards of living in the event of our failing to negotiate a deal?

The fishing industry is unlikely to prosper through Brexit as Brexit delivers increased red tape, form-filling and delays. Delays = lower prices as freshness is everything. See Live shellfish exporters in England have warned a wave of form-filling, certification and tariffs will hit the industry in 2021.

I've seen so much nonsense written about the EU's position, with snowflakes claiming that they're trying to punish us, that it's sometimes useful to revisit the facts.

mostly by you

[1andrew1]

The foolishness of no-extension in such unique circumstances is now more apparent than ever.

Just 11 days from the deadline, the government is still struggling to agree a new EU trade deal. Such a scenario was foreseeable in the summer when Mr Johnson decided not to seek an extension to the transition period. He will blame EU intransigence should the talks fail. But millions are locked down and separated from loved ones, many businesses closed, and intensive care units full. If the government now fails to reach an EU deal it once said would be easy, much of the country — including many Brexit voters — will be at a loss to understand why.

https://www.ft.com/content/9c9e5248-...3-954a844d459e

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Well it’s accurate, and that you choose to not address the points raised speaks volumes.

In fact you don’t need to respond, your silence is deafening.

Not really.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Not really.

Yes really.........and still nothing of any note from you.

Why bother responding at all?

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The foolishness of no-extension in such unique circumstances is now more apparent than ever.

https://www.ft.com/content/9c9e5248-...3-954a844d459e

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Not really.

More remainer BS from the FT.

[daveeb]

Originally Posted by pip08456

More remainer BS from the FT.

Yes a very unreliable source i'm sure , out of interest where do you gather your pearls of wisdom on these matters ?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Yes really.........and still nothing of any note from you.

Why bother responding at all?

An argument that commences with "What Bollocks" is a red flag to me. Such diatribes tend to be built on the foundations of sand and possess the longevity of a chocolate teapot.

But I digress. We'll know soon enough where we stand on the deal front.

Originally Posted by daveeb

Yes a very unreliable source i'm sure , out of interest where do you gather your pearls of wisdom on these matters ?

It’s an opinion piece. It’s an entirely reliable representation of the views of someone who still thinks we shouldn’t be leaving the EU and should remain as closely tied to it as possible, for as long as possible.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Chris

Sorry, but what the what now?

No mathematical model can predict political decisions. All it can do in this case is predict fish stocks based on different fishing patterns. Attempting to use these models in the way the university has done is inherently political because it has had to make political assumptions in deciding which models to run and how to report the data (which it has done in a press release that has clearly taken a political stance on the issue).

The tragedy here is that the uneducated will look at this and go 'ooo science' without being able to see the blatantly political way the science is being exploited.

If fishing quotas are increased then that's a political decision which could result in different fishing patterns. This is case of looking at a series of probabilities.

To start reading a political stance into the press release is a significant leap. The University will want to maximise the exposure of its work and if its research generates such evidence it will the consider whether such a headline is worth deploying v any offence it might cause.

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Originally Posted by Chris

It’s an opinion piece. It’s an entirely reliable representation of the views of someone who still thinks we shouldn’t be leaving the EU and should remain as closely tied to it as possible, for as long as possible.

We've already left the EU.

Conflating a desire to extend our current relationship with the EU because of Covid 19 with a desire to remain closely tied to the EU is poor judgment.

Well of course it’s political. The choice to highlight one particular outcome and issue a press release on it at the climax of the most politically divisive event of modern times can’t be construed any other way.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

If fishing quotas are increased then that's a political decision which could result in different fishing patterns. This is case of looking at a series of probabilities.

To start reading a political stance into the press release is a significant leap. The University will want to maximise the exposure of its work and if its research generates such evidence it will the consider whether such a headline is worth deploying v any offence it might cause.

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We've already left the EU.

Conflating a desire to extend our current relationship with the EU because of Covid 19 with a desire to remain closely tied to the EU is poor judgment.

As with Pierre, you’re hiding your weak arguments behind pedantry. As Pierre already observed, your preference to avoid the issue speaks volumes.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Chris

Well of course it’s political. The choice to highlight one particular outcome and issue a press release on it at the climax of the most politically divisive event of modern times can’t be construed any other way.

Alas, the facts don't fit your words. The press release is from March 2020.

Originally Posted by Chris

As with Pierre, you’re hiding your weak arguments behind pedantry. As Pierre already observed, your preference to avoid the issue speaks volumes.

Not really.
a) Compelling arguments are highly unlikely to be preceded with the words "What bollocks" and b) Someone resorting to such emotive language is not going to be swayed by a rational counter argument.

[Julian]

Not just in this thread but PLEASE can we stop posting links that require subscription.

It's so annoying when you want to read the source article but can't......