UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

As Lord Byron said

Seems like truth hurts.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Often, it's what people don't say that's more important than what they do say.

I think this is true here as I don't see disagreement with jfman's prediction that Boris will fold.

I wouldn’t read too much into posting patterns on here. There are lots of reasons why people duck in and out. Sheer boredom with circular discussion would be one of them. People presenting endless newspaper op eds as evidence of the veracity of their own opinions when there’s actually no news is another.

By way of balancing the opinion pieces a little, Laura K over at the BBC warned yesterday that the gap between the two sides is still significant and there’s no reason to believe a last minute solution in traditional EU style is inevitable in this case.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55358554

And Katya Adler, the Europe Editor who at times sounds to my Brexitty ears like a full on regime apologist for the EU, is warning that the politics of fishing in the coastal states (and the UK) is such that no deal is looking increasingly attractive if the alternative is a muddy, convoluted compromise that nobody is happy with.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55358963

FWIW I don’t think a compromise on fishing is possible. It has become totemic, it’s just about the only euroscepic issue that gets any traction in Scotland, and both Boris and Macron have dug themselves some very deep trenches. Macron has already said there will be a financial compensation scheme for French trawler operators if they’re barred from entering the UK EEZ, which means he’s no longer shackled to promises of ongoing access that will come back to bite him when he goes for re-election in 2022. In my ‘umble opinion, the stars are aligning for No Deal.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Chris

I don’t think a compromise on fishing is possible.

This is fundamental. It is the arrogance of the EU to think they have a “right” to enter the economic waters of an independent nation.

This could be something to do with it.

Barnier, a former French fisheries minister, said there was a fundamental issue of fairness that the EU would not back down on.

[TheDaddy]

What's going on down the M20, I'm supposed to go to Ashford later, don't like the look of the roads one bit

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

What's going on down the M20, I'm supposed to go to Ashford later, don't like the look of the roads one bit

French fishermen blocking the docks

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

What's going on down the M20, I'm supposed to go to Ashford later, don't like the look of the roads one bit

https://www.kentlive.news/news/kent-...raffic-4806519

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Chris

I wouldn’t read too much into posting patterns on here. There are lots of reasons why people duck in and out. Sheer boredom with circular discussion would be one of them. People presenting endless newspaper op eds as evidence of the veracity of their own opinions when there’s actually no news is another.

Agreed. The contect I was referring to was that only part of a shoet post was challenged suggesting the rest was on the money. But other reasons why this might be the case.

Originally Posted by Chris

By way of balancing the opinion pieces a little, Laura K over at the BBC warned yesterday that the gap between the two sides is still significant and there’s no reason to believe a last minute solution in traditional EU style is inevitable in this case.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55358554

And Katya Adler, the Europe Editor who at times sounds to my Brexitty ears like a full on regime apologist for the EU, is warning that the politics of fishing in the coastal states (and the UK) is such that no deal is looking increasingly attractive if the alternative is a muddy, convoluted compromise that nobody is happy with.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55358963

FWIW I don’t think a compromise on fishing is possible. It has become totemic, it’s just about the only euroscepic issue that gets any traction in Scotland, and both Boris and Macron have dug themselves some very deep trenches. Macron has already said there will be a financial compensation scheme for French trawler operators if they’re barred from entering the UK EEZ, which means he’s no longer shackled to promises of ongoing access that will come back to bite him when he goes for re-election in 2022. In my ‘umble opinion, the stars are aligning for No Deal.

I think a deal is possible on fishing as it will save BoJo's skin and what politician doesn't want to do that?

The obvious negotiation is around the time period of a change. From what I've read, fishermen are now more alert to the increased dangers to their European markets. Statements made by Tavish Scott, chief executive of the Scottish Salmon Producers Organisation (UK's largest food export worth £618m) on the necessity of a deal, will have reminded fishermen that no-deal is not the win-win situation they might once have believed it to be. And that's before any actions by French fishermen are factored in.

Tavish Scott is the former leader of the Scottish Liberal Democrats and a minister in the last Lib/Lab coalition. He was an MSP until last year.

As with all Liberal Democrat politicians, everything he says should be understood in the Euro-enthusiast way it is always offered.

[Hom3r]

The French fisherman are threatening to kick off. Well the Royal Navy will not care.



https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-fr...-deal-12166812

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

The French fisherman are threatening to kick off. Well the Royal Navy will not care.

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-fr...-deal-12166812

All they have to do is blockade the ports. The French are very good at that sort of thing.

Originally Posted by Mr K

All they have to do is blockade the ports. The French are very good at that sort of thing.

What difference would that make to anyone?

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Mr K

All they have to do is blockade the ports. The French are very good at that sort of thing.

That would be so funny to see

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Chris

What difference would that make to anyone?

It would cripple our fishing industry for a start Most of the catch goes to the EU.

[1andrew1]

Any kind of co-operation goes out of the window if we go up against an EU state. Talk of the Royal Navy is just to keep the more zealous Brexiters on board. Realistically, it's a hollow threat.

Originally Posted by Mr K

It would cripple our fishing industry for a start Most of the catch goes to the EU.

I was unaware that our entire fishing export landed in France. Do please elaborate.