UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

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Ireland like the UK will suffer from no-deal. But it will be helped by the EU. We will apparently bailing out our industries too by adding to our country's massive debt mountain.
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Are you sure about that? The EU's funds come from its constituent states - who have problems of their own and no money.

[Rexz]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

All largely irrelevant. That reduction will weaken the prosperity of the people of Cornwall, one of the country's poorest regions.

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This is about the government not keeping its promises to the electorate. Something which shouldn't be brushed under the carpet.

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I'm sure Ireland like the UK has plans for flying in medicines if there's port delays. A new direct ferry service to Europe should also help matters.
https://www.dfds.com/en/about/media/...ce-ferry-route

Ireland like the UK will suffer from no-deal. But it will be helped by the EU. We will apparently bailing out our industries too by adding to our country's massive debt mountain.
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Every now and then I used to drop into this thread to see how it was going, but before I ever clicked the link I knew exactly what I would find. Page after page of the same arguments, negativity with a sadistic undertone.

The thing I really don't understand (maybe you need a mind of a sadist to understand?) is how you can literally only ever write so negatively. Even people who find themselves in bad situations are able to find positivity.
To actively only ever look for bad news, whether to prove something or catch someone out must take it's toll eventually... Surely it can't be healthy?

This year, what with the pandemic and everything else, I realised I was paying way too much attention to news. I couldn't just read the news headlines or articles. I had to read the comments, look for the ones that were aligned with my thinking or look for the unaligned comments to be outraged. It was becoming a little obsessive.
I decided to start decluttering my life with noise and negativity (this pandemic didn't help). Many of the little things like social media/news/forums take their toll and build up and unfortunately this forum was included in the list.
I wish you all well, and whatever way brexit happens, I am sure you will all move on and realise there is more to life

Peace!

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

All largely irrelevant. That reduction will weaken the prosperity of the people of Cornwall, one of the country's poorest regions.

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This is about the government not keeping its promises to the electorate. Something which shouldn't be brushed under the carpet.

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I'm sure Ireland like the UK has plans for flying in medicines if there's port delays. A new direct ferry service to Europe should also help matters.
https://www.dfds.com/en/about/media/...ce-ferry-route

Ireland like the UK will suffer from no-deal. But it will be helped by the EU. We will apparently bailing out our industries too by adding to our country's massive debt mountain.
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What reduction? There are several sources of government funding, just as there were several sources of EU funding. They seem to be expecting to simply be given a lump sum to do with as they please.

If they are so poverty stricken after all the money that has poured in, that clearly demonstrates that pouring more money in won't achieve anything. Nothing big in the way of industry could operate there because of the geography of the county.



Stena Line offers 28 daily sailings from UK to Ireland, Irish Ferries 6 sailings, against 7 ferry crossings per WEEK from France to Ireland, taking 18hrs or more each way. Bit of a difference.

There’s a number of very good reasons why direct ferry services between France and Ireland are so underdeveloped. Among them, there’s no time advantage because you land in Cherbourg and then have to drive across northern France to get to most European destinations. I suspect Irish freight headed for Spain or Portugal is already using the Dublin-Cherbourg route. These would be the only destinations for which it’s an advantage. Notwithstanding the new service DFDS is putting on I suspect there are far too few vessels suitable for a long route that could be brought into service any time soon. Plus, the major kicker, a lot of HGVs coming through the UK from Ireland will be dropping stuff off here before going on to the continent, and vice versa. It would be a major logistical headache for Irish pallet delivery companies to totally reorganise their businesses to avoid the UK unless essential, especially as the vast bulk of Irish exports go to the UK.

[1andrew1]

Bigger picture time, peeps. I predict that the talks will go past Christmas.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Bigger picture time, peeps. I predict that the talks will go past Christmas.

Just remind us who you are

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Ed silly bland is frothing at the mouth on the Andrew marr show,i think he's upset about the negotiations, should be wearing a spit mask imo.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

What reduction? There are several sources of government funding, just as there were several sources of EU funding. They seem to be expecting to simply be given a lump sum to do with as they please.

If they are so poverty stricken after all the money that has poured in, that clearly demonstrates that pouring more money in won't achieve anything. Nothing big in the way of industry could operate there because of the geography of the county.

Stena Line offers 28 daily sailings from UK to Ireland, Irish Ferries 6 sailings, against 7 ferry crossings per WEEK from France to Ireland, taking 18hrs or more each way. Bit of a difference.

The government promised no reduction in funding. 5% of a previous funding seems to be a reduction in my book. Whether you agree that Cornwall should receive this funding is irrelevant. A promise is a promise. Where has Cornwall asked for a lump sum to do with as they please?

My point was that a new Ireland to France service has been established, so DFDS must think there's demand there and it can be used for priority traffic like medicines.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The government promised no reduction in funding. 5% of a previous funding seems to be a reduction in my book. Whether you agree that Cornwall should receive this funding is irrelevant. A promise is a promise. Where has Cornwall asked for a lump sum to do with as they please?

My point was that a new Ireland to France service has been established, so DFDS must think there's demand there and it can be used for priority traffic like medicines.

Did the EU simply hand over a lump sum to Cornwall, or was it piecemeal for each project? You can't look at one figure in isolation as being the total figure.


It not just medicines and not just stuff from the EU.

Can refrigerated and freezer lorries cope without the engines running for 18hrs or more?

Are Ireland's petrol and diesel requirements going to be able to be met from the EU? If not, then Ireland is going to face large increases in energy costs.
Irish Mirror

Britain’s attempts to leave the EU may be comedic but the smiles could soon be wiped from our faces as Irish households could lose an average of €1,400 a year.
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1. The Economic and Social Research Institute looked at 4,500 products imported from the UK and found the consumer side of Brexit will hit most of us.
2. It found a no-deal scenario could add 30% to the price of bread and cereals.
Cheese and egg prices could rise by as much as 46% while meat, sugar, confectionery, coffee, tea could see hikes of between 20% and 30%.
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5. Tens of thousands of Irish people buy their cars in the UK but many can forget such a move after a hard Brexit as they would be saddled with a 23% VAT rate wiping out any possible saving.

That's big increases on basics.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Did the EU simply hand over a lump sum to Cornwall, or was it piecemeal for each project? You can't look at one figure in isolation as being the total figure.


It not just medicines and not just stuff from the EU.

Can refrigerated and freezer lorries cope without the engines running for 18hrs or more?

Are Ireland's petrol and diesel requirements going to be able to be met from the EU? If not, then Ireland is going to face large increases in energy costs.
Irish Mirror

That's big increases on basics.

I think you're consoling yourself into thinking that Brexit is a win-lose situation. Everyone loses, particularly the UK and Ireland. But Ireland facing significant financial impact as a result of no-deal doesn't mean that it can compel the UK to change its negotiating position. I acknowledge that Ireland usually punches above its weight diplomatically. But making BoJo chose Ireland over the ERG is a big ask. Ireland can influence the EU side and am sure it's doing its best here.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Bigger picture time, peeps. I predict that the talks will go past Christmas.

It'll go into the New Year. By then we'll be on our knees and begging for any type of deal. It'd be on worse terms than any we're currently being offered, as we'll be in such a weak position.

Shame Boris isn't a bookie really. He said the chances of no deal.were a million to one. If only we'd all put a quid on with him...

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mr K

It'll go into the New Year. By then we'll be on our knees and begging for any type of deal. It'd be on worse terms than any we're currently being offered, as we'll be in such a weak position.

Shame Boris isn't a bookie really. He said the chances of no deal.were a million to one. If only we'd all put a quid on with him...

You should go to your allotment and have a good sulk in solitude, your misery is becoming infectious.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Mr K

It'll go into the New Year. By then we'll be on our knees and begging for any type of deal. It'd be on worse terms than any we're currently being offered, as we'll be in such a weak position.

Shame Boris isn't a bookie really. He said the chances of no deal.were a million to one. If only we'd all put a quid on with him...

It's precisely that mentality that is causing the problems. Encouraging the EU to wait until we roll over and give in.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

You should go to your allotment and have a good sulk in solitude, your misery is becoming infectious.

Don't worry mate, I've got all my fine wines and cheeses in for the festive period. I'm afraid some home delivery customers might be disappointed in coming weeks when theirs have been subbed with brussels sprouts... We"re self sufficient in those so take some comfort

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

It's precisely that mentality that is causing the problems. Encouraging the EU to wait until we roll over and give in.

No offence to Cable Forum here. But why would a post on a forum focused around UK cable TV encourage the EU to wait until the UK negotiating team rolls over?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Don't worry mate, I've got all my fine wines and cheeses in for the festive period. I'm afraid some home delivery customers might be disappointed in coming weeks when theirs have been subbed with brussels sprouts... We"re self sufficient in those so take some comfort

I can always go to the beach and catch some fish apparently there's enough to feed all of the EU and the UK out there