Coronavirus

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by nomadking

So much for "firebreaks" working.
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They don't work, they just ruin peoples businesses.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Mad Max

They don't work, they just ruin peoples businesses.

And how would not having them make a difference to the spreading and catching of the virus?

[Sephiroth]

https://assets.publishing.service.go...NAL__SofS_.pdf

I've just read the Guvmin's supposed justification for their tiering system.

As everyone suspects, it provides absolutely no detail on why they took a broad area approach to tiering rather than assessing individual boroughs within Counties. That's absolutely not there.

In other words, the tiering system is either for administrative convenience or just a pretence at reasonable tiering.

It's a rubbish document because it tells us only what we've been told before.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

https://assets.publishing.service.go...NAL__SofS_.pdf

I've just read the Guvmin's supposed justification for their tiering system.

As everyone suspects, it provides absolutely no detail on why they took a broad area approach to tiering rather than assessing individual boroughs within Counties. That's absolutely not there.

In other words, the tiering system is either for administrative convenience or just a pretence at reasonable tiering.

It's a rubbish document because it tells us only what we've been told before.

The important thing is that the London elite are in tier 2.

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by nomadking

And how would not having them make a difference to the spreading and catching of the virus?

Isn't Wales closing pubs, restaurants, etc etc? after their recent lockdown, just seems a waste of time with these lockdowns as the virus just takes off again.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Mad Max

Isn't Wales closing pubs, restaurants, etc etc? after their recent lockdown, just seems a waste of time with these lockdowns as the virus just takes off again.

Yes, starts Friday.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Mad Max

Isn't Wales closing pubs, restaurants, etc etc? after their recent lockdown, just seems a waste of time with these lockdowns as the virus just takes off again.

If people are obeying the rules and are social distancing, wearing masks, and not mixing, then after a while, the virus should "die out". The virus needs to keep finding a new host in order to continue it's spread.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mad Max

Isn't Wales closing pubs, restaurants, etc etc? after their recent lockdown, just seems a waste of time with these lockdowns as the virus just takes off again.

The lockdowns are essential to prevent the NHS being overwhelmed. When the brake is taken off, transmission and deaths rise, yes. But in terms of saving businesses and people's mental health, it's seen as better not to have a permanent lockdown.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The lockdowns are essential to prevent the NHS being overwhelmed. When the brake is taken off, transmission and deaths rise, yes. But in terms of saving businesses and people's mental health, it's seen as better not to have a permanent lockdown.

Today's announcement in Wales made no mention of the NHS(Wales) being overwhelmed.

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The lockdowns are essential to prevent the NHS being overwhelmed. When the brake is taken off, transmission and deaths rise, yes. But in terms of saving businesses and people's mental health, it's seen as better not to have a permanent lockdown.

Well that doesn't seem to be working either, does it.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Mick

Majority of individuals who have got infected, have been asymptomatic, such individuals can carry the virus and show on repeated tests that they are infected for up to six weeks.

Originally Posted by Carth

Which is slightly alarming considering people who test positive self isolate for a week before returning to work . . . or can't you 'transmit' it after a week?

Originally Posted by Mick

There is a 10 day window in which after incubation occurs, a person is most infectious. After which Covid can remain in the body for several more weeks.

Hang on a minute here . .

I've seen the following at least a dozen times at my workplace:

Person A tests positive, isolates for 7 days then returns to work.

*There is a 10 day window after incubation when they are most infectious.*

Somehow during the time before, during, and after their isolation, they fail to infect anyone else, whether it's work colleagues, close family or friends.

Is it a dozen miracles, a dozen cases of damn good luck, or a dozen cases of a false positive test

My money is on the latter

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Today's announcement in Wales made no mention of the NHS(Wales) being overwhelmed.

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Recap everything Mr Drakeford said in his speech here:
“Prynhawn da.

On Friday I explained coronavirus was again accelerating across Wales, eroding the gains we had achieved together during the fire-break period. “Throughout the pandemic all the actions we have taken here in Wales have been designed to protect our NHS and to save lives. That remains unchanged today.
“The facts are stark. Unless we respond now to the growing number of people infected with the virus the advice we have from our scientific and medical expertss is that by January 12 the total number of people with coronavirus in hospital in Wales could rise to 2,200.

[spiderplant]

Originally Posted by Carth

Hang on a minute here . .

I've seen the following at least a dozen times at my workplace:

Person A tests positive, isolates for 7 days then returns to work.

Hang on a minute here . .

Why are they only isolating for 7 days?
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/corona...-self-isolate/

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mad Max

Well that doesn't seem to be working either, does it.

Would a permanent lockdown save more businesses then? Possibly. We don't know as we've not tried it.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Carth

Hang on a minute here . .

I've seen the following at least a dozen times at my workplace:

Person A tests positive, isolates for 7 days then returns to work.

*There is a 10 day window after incubation when they are most infectious.*

Somehow during the time before, during, and after their isolation, they fail to infect anyone else, whether it's work colleagues, close family or friends.

Is it a dozen miracles, a dozen cases of damn good luck, or a dozen cases of a false positive test

My money is on the latter

Isolate for only 7 days?
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How long to self-isolate
If you have symptoms or have tested positive for coronavirus, you'll usually need to self-isolate for at least 10 days.
You'll usually need to self-isolate for 14 days if:

• someone you live with has symptoms or tested positive
• someone in your support bubble has symptoms or tested positive
• you've been told to self-isolate by NHS Test and Trace