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13-11-2020, 10:12
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Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
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Ha ha.
Despite his many failings, he got a couple of things right:
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He also argued against the government's decision to trigger the Article 50 notification to leave the EU so soon after the 2016 referendum, calling it an "historic unforgivable blunder".
In 2017, he branded then Brexit secretary David Davis "thick as mince, lazy as a toad, and vain as Narcissus".
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https://news.sky.com/story/dominic-c...bered-12130906
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13-11-2020, 10:26
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Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
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Dom leaving Downing Street Christmas Eve...
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13-11-2020, 10:44
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Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
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There’s some signs the summer flirtation with separatism is fading ... Yougov gave yes 51% this morning, down 2 on their previous. Rallying round the flag lasted longer in Scotland than in England but perhaps lockdown 2 is concentrating the minds a bit.
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It'll be through the roof after the Serbia game.
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13-11-2020, 11:14
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Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
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13-11-2020, 11:44
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Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
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13-11-2020, 12:14
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Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
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Really? Where have we actually broken a treaty?
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13-11-2020, 12:45
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Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
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Really? Where have we actually broken a treaty?
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EM the EU treaty for a start if the EU tried changing it you would never ever stop complaining about it and i would agree if they did but because it uk doing it all is great right
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13-11-2020, 13:07
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Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
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EM the EU treaty for a start if the EU tried changing it you would never ever stop complaining about it and i would agree if they did but because it uk doing it all is great right
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Which EU treaty has the UK broken?
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13-11-2020, 13:50
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Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
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Which EU treaty has the UK broken?
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https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...-agreement-act
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The UK needed a bill to implement the Withdrawal Agreement, which is the legally binding treaty setting out the negotiated terms of the UK’s departure from the EU.
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The NI protocol is in the Withdrawal Agreement and the Internal Market Bill is changing it by unilateral action.
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13-11-2020, 14:19
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Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
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Which EU treaty has the UK broken?
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Nice try. I've not said we have yet.
The proposed Internal Market Bill enables this to happen which undermines any attack the UK makes on China for breaking a treaty wth the UK.
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13-11-2020, 14:30
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Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
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The treaty is not broken until the action has been taken. To date no action has been taken so no treaty broken.
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Nice try. I've not said we have yet.
The proposed Internal Market Bill enables this to happen which undermines any attack the UK makes on China for breaking a treaty wth the UK.
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As I was quoting someone else that reply was obviously aimed at you.
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13-11-2020, 14:47
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Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
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The treaty is not broken until the action has been taken. To date no action has been taken so no treaty broken.
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As I was quoting someone else that reply was obviously aimed at you.
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This is your reply to me:
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Really? Where have we actually broken a treaty?
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My response is:
Nice try. I've not said we have yet.
The proposed Internal Market Bill enables this to happen which undermines any attack the UK makes on China for breaking a treaty with the UK.
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13-11-2020, 15:41
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Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
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The proposed Internal Market Bill enables this to happen which undermines any attack the UK makes on China for breaking a treaty with the UK.
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You are right, of course, to the extent of the way much of the rest of the world will see matters.
However, the ill-timed move by the government isn't likely to become law for a long time if I've understood the Commons/Lords ping-pong process.
https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...tary-ping-pong
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In theory, if the Lords disagreed fundamentally with a bill, it could deliberately cause it to be lost by insisting on an amendment until a stalemate was reached or ‘double insistence’ took place. In this unlikely circumstance, the Government could use the Parliament Act (passed in 1911, updated in 1949) to pass the bill in the following session.
Resorting to the Parliament Act would delay the passage of the legislation, therefore the Government normally works with the Lords to find compromises where there are disagreements.
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I suspect the government deliberately deployed this foil in full knowledge of what the Lords would do. A bluff, in other words and a very bad one at that.
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13-11-2020, 15:49
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Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
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You are right, of course, to the extent of the way much of the rest of the world will see matters.
However, the ill-timed move by the government isn't likely to become law for a long time if I've understood the Commons/Lords ping-pong process.
https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...tary-ping-pong
I suspect the government deliberately deployed this foil in full knowledge of what the Lords would do. A bluff, in other words and a very bad one at that.
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I find myself in agreement.
AS an aside, I'm a bit more hopeful about the governance of the country following the recent departures in BoJo's team. It's been a rocky term so far with a lowlight being Cummings' press conference in the No 10 Rose Garden but hopefully BoJo can get a better administration in place for 2021.
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13-11-2020, 15:52
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Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
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I find myself in agreement.
AS an aside, I'm a bit more hopeful about the governance of the country following the recent departures in BoJo's team. It's been a rocky term so far with a lowlight being Cummings' press conference in the No 10 Rose Garden but hopefully BoJo can get a better administration in place for 2021.
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