UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Had you checked 3 posts further down, you'd have come across this posted yesterday:



Any reason why you chose to mock John Redwood?



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Andrew, you're being a silly billy. That's a gratuitous piece of venom.

JR is a first class local MP who seems to have fallen foul of your opinion by dint of being an ardent leaver.

I remember getting into an audience debate with him (1995, hosted by Paxman) as to the value of the then EEC. He wanted it to remain a trading bloc but otherwise was advocating our withdrawal. I argued against that then, since which he has been proved 100% in his assessment of the EU.

Just because you don't share his views does not put you in the right with your characterization of him.

Because the slump is due to people not buying cars because of lock downs, not travelling by car to/from work, concerned about being laid off, being paid less due to being furloughed, car showrooms shut for a couple of months, not due to the fact we are in the customs union and single market...

To quote the SMMT (the people who manufacture and sell cars)

12 MAY 2020 #USED CAR SALES DATA #VEHICLE DATA
UK used car market falls -8.3% in Q1 2020 to 1.8 million transactions as coronavirus hits.
Solid growth in January and February wiped out by steep -30.7% decline in March as showrooms closed.
Market for used plug-in electric vehicles stays strong with demand rising 13.6% in first quarter.

We had solid growth in car sales in the first two months of this year (when we were still in the customs union and single market), but then they slumped in March - oooh, what could be the cause?


https://www.smmt.co.uk/2020/05/used-...irst%20quarter.

[Sephiroth]

Brexit's gone quiet. Is that a good sign or what?

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Brexit's gone quiet. Is that a good sign or what?

If the extended talks involving Barnier had come to nothing we’d have heard all about it. They’re clearly now getting their heads around the issues properly.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Chris

If the extended talks involving Barnier had come to nothing we’d have heard all about it. They’re clearly now getting their heads around the issues properly.

But do you think Macron is in a position to blink over fishing rights?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

But do you think Macron is in a position to blink over fishing rights?

Let them eat cake.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

But do you think Macron is in a position to blink over fishing rights?

He may have to. His demand is unprecedented in EU trade deals and is totally irrelevant to most member state governments who have little to no interest in fishing in U.K. waters. It is small beer economically (to us as well as them, to be fair) which means the only insurmountable issue with it is one of sovereignty. This is why the U.K. can’t budge and France (and the EU) can, and must. I’m pretty sure Macron knows this and the negotiating efforts right now are focused on an acceptable strategy for allowing him to climb down.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Chris

He may have to. His demand is unprecedented in EU trade deals and is totally irrelevant to most member state governments who have little to no interest in fishing in U.K. waters. It is small beer economically (to us as well as them, to be fair) which means the only insurmountable issue with it is one of sovereignty. This is why the U.K. can’t budge and France (and the EU) can, and must. I’m pretty sure Macron knows this and the negotiating efforts right now are focused on an acceptable strategy for allowing him to climb down.

Yes - I can see that. But Macron is seeking re-election and it would be a sign of weakness if he blinks. That's my reservation on this.

[1andrew1]

Most positive news I've heard in the negotiations so far. Does seem to be a bit of the kicking of the tin can down the alley but that's to be expected.

Brexit Negotiators Move Close to Breaking Impasse Over Fish

U.K. and European Union officials are zeroing in on a solution to break the eight-month deadlock over one of the biggest obstacles to their planned trade deal.

In a sign that an agreement could be struck by the mid-November deadline set by both sides, a compromise is emerging on the issue of what access EU boats will have to U.K. fishing waters, according to two people with knowledge of the EU side of the discussion

The potential solution would allow Britain to claim it has won back control of its seas -- a key government demand -- and pave the way for the country’s fishing industry to catch more than it does currently. Quotas would be set to the principle of zonal attachment, the formula the U.K. had been seeking.

But, significantly, decisions over EU boats’ exact allocations would be deferred until a later date -- meaning they wouldn’t lose out immediately, and any disagreements over how the catch is divided up in the future wouldn’t necessarily torpedo the wider deal.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...sse-over-fish?

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Naw, can't be right, it's the fault of the pesky EU who want to punish us and all those who voted Remain.

At last, Andrew, something we agree on!

If only you meant it...



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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Yes - I can see that. But Macron is seeking re-election and it would be a sign of weakness if he blinks. That's my reservation on this.

You are right about that.

In the end, Merkel will step in to over-rule him and that will show the French who’s really in charge. Next thing you know, Le Pen will win a popular vote for Frexit!

By 2035?

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Hugh

By 2035?

Looks like that will be a good year!

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Hugh

By 2035?

Hang on there as l was thinking 2025.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Looks like that will be a good year!

Is that when we rejoin the EU? I knew something apart from the end of linear TV was happening then.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Is that when we rejoin the EU? I knew something apart from the end of linear TV was happening then.

Will the EU still exist then?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Will the EU still exist then?

Yup. Heck, it's far enough ahead for even Turkey to have joined!