UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

No I didn't. You incorrectly inferred that. You need to be more careful.

Seph, I'm afraid I read it the same as Hugh. Maybe you've miswritten it or your criteria should only be taken in a specific and limited way?

You listed your five criteria that a patriotic Brit had to bear/support. Hugh said he didn't bear/support those five criteria. Therefore in your eyes he is not a patriotic Brit. In his eyes he is and he's served his country too.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Seph, I'm afraid I read it the same as Hugh. Maybe you've miswritten it or your criteria should only be taken in a specific and limited way?

You listed your five criteria that a patriotic Brit had to bear/support. Hugh said he didn't bear/support those five criteria. Therefore in your eyes he is not a patriotic Brit. In his eyes he is and he's served his country too.

Andrew - you're both wrong, I'm afraid. Hugh looks for this, especially where I'm concerned. This time you both have got it wrong and should accept my word on that.

With regard to the bit I've highlighted, my list was in the context of Brexit ("in these days"). It's easy to slip into the total negative, but I'm not questioning anyone's patriotism (I think) but perhaps questioning the degree.

You said

A "Patriotic Brit" in these days would bear/support at least the following attributes:

1. Brexit means Brexit;
2. Leave means Leave;
3. British waters mean British waters;
4. Sovereignty means sovereignty;
5. Sod the SNP.

What would you call someone who does not support your 5 criteria?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Andrew - you're both wrong, I'm afraid. Hugh looks for this, especially where I'm concerned. This time you both have got it wrong and should accept my word on that.

With regard to the bit I've highlighted, my list was in the context of Brexit ("in these days"). It's easy to slip into the total negative, but I'm not questioning anyone's patriotism (I think) but perhaps questioning the degree.

I think you need to acknowledge that people have different opinions from you on these matters. It does not make them right and you wrong, or them more patriotic and you less patriotic, it just makes them different.

And it would indeed be a boring world if we all agreed.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Andrew - you're both wrong, I'm afraid. Hugh looks for this, especially where I'm concerned. This time you both have got it wrong and should accept my word on that.

With regard to the bit I've highlighted, my list was in the context of Brexit ("in these days"). It's easy to slip into the total negative, but I'm not questioning anyone's patriotism (I think) but perhaps questioning the degree.

Not respecting sovereignty and territorial boundaries [3and 4 on your list] hardly sounds patriotic to me.
1 and 2 don't matter anymore we are out
5 Some brits are Scottish and entitled to vote how they please even if if puts a power mad midget in charge of their demise.

[pip08456]

Brexit update from Lord Frost.

In other areas familiar differences remain. On the level playing field, including subsidy policy, we continue to seek an agreement that ensures our ability to set our own laws in the UK without constraints that go beyond those appropriate to a free trade agreement. There has been some limited progress here but the EU need to move further before an understanding can be reached. On fisheries the gap between us is unfortunately very large and, without further realism and flexibility from the EU, risks being impossible to bridge. These issues are fundamental to our future status as an independent country.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

Not respecting sovereignty and territorial boundaries [3and 4 on your list] hardly sounds patriotic to me.
1 and 2 don't matter anymore we are out
5 Some brits are Scottish and entitled to vote how they please even if if puts a power mad midget in charge of their demise.

Definition of a midget is 4 foot 10 inches - BJ is 5 foot 9 inches, so you shouldn’t call him a midget...

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

You said

What would you call someone who does not support your 5 criteria?

A Remainer, obviously.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

A Remainer, obviously.

Can they be "Patriotic Brits"?

[1andrew1]

Donald Trump’s envoy to Northern Ireland has warned that Boris Johnson’s controversial threat to break the law over Brexit could present a “challenge” to the peace process under the Good Friday Agreement.

Mr Mulvaney said that, despite differences in tone which last week saw Secretary of State Mike Pompeo say simply that the US “trusts” Britain on the issue, the Republican and Democrat sides were sending “the same message” about the need to preserve peace.

Speaking to the Policy Exchange thinktank in London during a visit to both sides of the Irish Sea, Mr Mulvaney said that Mr Neal’s warning that the border issue would play a role in determining any UK/US trade deal was “a true statement”.

“That’s a true statement and that's not at all inconsistent with what you saw Secretary of State Pompeo say when Dominic Raab came to visit last week,” he said.
“The administration believes just as much in the Belfast/Good Friday Agreement as does Richie Neal… It is central.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...rtan-ntp-feeds

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Can they be "Patriotic Brits"?

I didn't say they weren't. You inferred that.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I didn't say they weren't. You inferred that.

It's more than inferred, Seph. Hugh said that he doesn't meet your criteria to be a patriotic Brit which means in your opinion he's not.

I'm sure you didn't intend this to be the logical outcome of your post but it is. We can't read your mind, only your posts.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

It's more than inferred, Seph. Hugh said that he doesn't meet your criteria to be a patriotic Brit which means in your opinion he's not.

I'm sure you didn't intend this to be the logical outcome of your post but it is. We can't read your mind, only your posts.

No. Hugh might not meet some/all of the 5 criteria which I said were at least required; he probably satisfies other criteria that I didn't list.

On the bit I've highlighted, then don't try to read my mind, just read the posts if you want to and what you infer is your business.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

No. Hugh might not meet some/all of the 5 criteria which I said were at least required; he probably satisfies other criteria that I didn't list.

On the bit I've highlighted, then don't try to read my mind, just read the posts if you want to and what you infer is your business.

If Hugh does not meet some/all of the criteria that you said were at least required then he's failed.
It doesn't matter if he's met other unknown criteria. It's the use of "at least" that means the other criteria are irrelevant if he's failed some/all of the five listed criteria you mentioned.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

If Hugh does not meet some/all of the criteria that you said were at least required then he's failed.
It doesn't matter if he's met other unknown criteria. It's the use of "at least" that means the other criteria are irrelevant if he's failed some/all of the five listed criteria you mentioned.

Look, it's all in the context of Brexit. Not World War 3 as regards patriotism.

Hugh's just being awkward, as usual.