Coronavirus (OLD)

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Damien

The restrictions I am taking about (exercise as much as you like, drive where you want, work if you cannot work from home) were on the 10th May.

Which you can do now.

23rd of June is when he said pubs and restaurants were allowed to open on the 4th July. By then shops were already open.

So pub/ restaurants were still on lockdown then, but they are not now.

Either way you cut it, the restrictions were tighter during the BLM protests, that they are now.

Therefore the police response is not proportionate.

[downquark1]

Also the deaths were higher which I would consider the "realist" factor

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Mad Max

Funny that, afaik, no one was arrested when the pubs were emptied at ten pm last night in London.

Is there room for Pierre on the end of that straw?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

As I’m sure you are aware they have changed the measure for that statistic. Also those deaths, where they were directly linked to Covid, will have related hospitalisation, and contracting Covid, at an earlier date.

Sorry all I can hear is “this vehicle is reversing”

I don’t see you frothing at the mouth with anger over those, or questioning how appropriate they were

well they weren’t protesting in central London or other cities for that matter.

Also my point is not about appropriateness, or about the protest. My point is very simply about the same conditions and response being afforded to those protesting this issue, as was afforded to those protesting previous issues. That’s all

Pierre is, as ever, being very selective.

Factual, the word is factual.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Sorry all I can hear is “this vehicle is reversing”

well they weren’t protesting in central London or other cities for that matter.

Also my point is not about appropriateness, or about the protest. My point is very simply about the same conditions and response being afforded to those protesting this issue, as was afforded to those protesting previous issues. That’s all


Factual, the word is factual.

I didn’t realise Covid only spread in major cities. Apologies.

Originally Posted by Pierre

Which you can do now.



So pub/ restaurants were still on lockdown then, but they are not now.

Either way you cut it, the restrictions were tighter during the BLM protests, that they are now.

Therefore the police response is not proportionate.

That's fine. I was only saying we weren't in Full lockdown at that point.

I don't think the restrictions now are more than they were then. I don't actually know why the police stopped this protest but as I said since they were protesting the rules on COVID I wouldn't be surprised they broke the rules on COVID.

I think a lot of the times it's about how much the people 'push it'. The police would have turned a blind-eye to some rule breaking as it's not fesible or sensible to arrest everyone who isn't social distancing or wearing a mask but if you have mass rule breaking then that can only go so far.

I don't have a strong opinion on the BLM marches or this one breaking the rules though. They both seemed pretty risky.

[jfman]

I think that’s the difference. Pierre has such strong opinions on BLM he literally started the thread.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...php?t=33709106

[Hom3r]

My mum has been taking Vitamin D3 for years, it didn't stop her catching Coronavirus and ending up paralysed.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by nomadking

The difference is that there are now regulations on social distancing, whereas before there wasn't. They weren't arrested for simply gathering, they were arrested for not social distancing.

Well, the issue we have here is a massive one, and that is that legislation has gone through it under the guise of the:

The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (No. 2) (England) Regulations 2020

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/684

Which basically removes your right to protest, en mass, in a seemingly free society. The people protesting in London are right to protest.

If you didn’t know about this, you should and you should be concerned.

This is bordering on Orwellian. I’m pretty sure this was never debated in Parliament. Which is why I’m sure MP’ are now demanding that.

Government is stepping beyond what is acceptable to a free society.



Whether a previous group of protesters were causing damage, and not being arrested is a separate issue.


As my previous link/quote pointed out, protests ARE allowed, but they have to socially distance and submit a risk assessment.[/QUOTE]

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Originally Posted by jfman

I think that’s the difference. Pierre has such strong opinions on BLM he literally started the thread.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...php?t=33709106

I do have strong opinions on it, so did many others,................. point?

[denphone]

It seems Boris Johnson's honeymoon period has well and truly ended..

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...covid-measures

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ch-in-fortunes

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Damien

I don't have a strong opinion on the BLM marches or this one breaking the rules though. They both seemed pretty risky.

My point was, which I made earlier on in the thread.

I have no issue with the BLM protests (I have major reservations on BLM as a political entity) but they can protest all they want. If they want to vandalise stuff and attack police....fine.

I also have no issue with the protestors that have current concerns with how the government are handling COVID, sure there are wackos amongst them, but also intelligent concerned people.

What I do have an issue with is the difference in police response.

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Originally Posted by jfman

That if they were white and causing damage/ignoring coronavirus guidance you’d not feel as strongly.

Well that my man is total bollocks, made without any foundation or evidence, care to back that up or remove it ?

[jfman]

It’s you that’s twisting against one set of protests and sticking up for another. I’m unsure really why to be honest. I think in the current climate, as we all live under greater restrictions they should equally be discouraged.

I don’t think you fully appreciate the concerns behind BLM, but that’s for another thread (that you started). I think your political bias is showing here.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

It’s you that’s twisting against one set of protests and sticking up for another. I’m unsure really why to be honest. I think in the current climate, as we all live under greater restrictions they should equally be discouraged.

I don’t think you fully appreciate the concerns behind BLM, but that’s for another thread (that you started). I think your political bias is showing here.

I invite you to remove your earlier statement.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by denphone

It seems Boris Johnson's honeymoon period has well and truly ended..

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...covid-measures

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ch-in-fortunes

Tbh Den it has been a nightmare for him and he can't wait to quit. Only £150k a year, no fun to be had, and Brexit turns out to be a crap to idea with his name on it. Plus his Mrs turns out to be a namby pamby green liberal who thinks he should change the nappies occasionally... Poor Bozza, I genuinely feel for him...

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I invite you to remove your earlier statement.

I’ve removed it since you’ve taken such offence from it and asked.

I do think you are demonstrating bias, perhaps unconsciously, against BLM. However as I said that’s for another thread. A gathering is a gathering in my book.