Coronavirus (OLD)

[Carth]

Originally Posted by jfman

I’m sure a second lockdown would be more irritating.

The first one hasn't stopped being irritating yet . . wife & daughter both working from home is having a devastating effect on my 'lazy retirement pursuits'

Originally Posted by Pierre

i don't think it's confusing, just irritating

It's both.

[Dave42]

Coronavirus infections surge by 60% in England with 3,200 new cases each day

COVID-19 infections in England have soared by 60% - with 3,200 new cases now being seen each day, according to official estimates.


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...h-day-12068962

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Carth

The first one hasn't stopped being irritating yet . . wife & daughter both working from home is having a devastating effect on my 'lazy retirement pursuits'

So selfish of them.

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Originally Posted by jfman

I’m sure a second lockdown would be more irritating.

Totally agree.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

So selfish of them.

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Totally agree.

You and jfman agree too much!

On a more serious (and ridiculous) note - fines/sanctions on the 19-25 age group could be higher than others as a deterrent.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Dave42

Coronavirus infections surge by 60% in England with 3,200 new cases each day

COVID-19 infections in England have soared by 60% - with 3,200 new cases now being seen each day, according to official estimates.


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...h-day-12068962

Like I say, I'll wait until I see the hospital admission rates and/or death rates before I start running around in a panic like Beaker from the muppets.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Like I say, I'll wait until I see the hospital admission rates and/or death rates before I start running around in a panic like Beaker from the muppets.

These are inevitable really, although by the time they come out in the figures it’ll be too late. Cases doubling every 8 days, R definitely above one. Steps need to be taken to slow the spread, and stop it spreading into the most at risk groups. Or it’s lockdown 2. Boris has as much said we are buying time until Operation Moonshot is up to speed.

It's easily the most concerning numbers we've had since coming of lockdown

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Damien

It's easily the most concerning numbers we've had since coming of lockdown

It’s good news in some respects though - we get to challenge those in denial with actual facts and evidence, from actual reality, on the ground in Britain. Plus the economy will tank for the property parasites like Alan Sugar.

[Carth]

Actual facts and evidence . . . I keep seeing the word estimated in Covid19 news reports

Not saying the figures are wrong, but my estimated fuel bills were usually strange.

Maybe we should go with 'up to' aswell?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

It’s good news in some respects though - we get to challenge those in denial with actual facts and evidence, from actual reality, on the ground in Britain. Plus the economy will tank for the property parasites like Alan Sugar.

Well it won't take long. I'd expect to see very sharp rises in Hospital admission within the next seven days and onward, and obviously subsequent deaths within the next 28+.

I suspect they will inevitably rise, but it is the rate at which they rise that will be the the thing.

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Originally Posted by jfman

and stop it spreading into the most at risk groups.

That's the key.

[Kushan]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

You and jfman agree too much!

On a more serious (and ridiculous) note - fines/sanctions on the 19-25 age group could be higher than others as a deterrent.

What's your obsession with punishing younger people? Covid doesn't care what age you are, if you spread it, you spread it. Fine anyone not social distancing or wearing a mask. If you really want to punish the younger folk, take solace in the fact that they have a much lower quality of life than the 50-65 group had when they were younger.

Originally Posted by jfman

These are inevitable really, although by the time they come out in the figures it’ll be too late. Cases doubling every 8 days, R definitely above one. Steps need to be taken to slow the spread, and stop it spreading into the most at risk groups. Or it’s lockdown 2. Boris has as much said we are buying time until Operation Moonshot is up to speed.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54116939 R is above 1 again.

Here comes second lockdown.

[jfman]

It might take longer than you’d expect. If the “I had Covid in January brigade” are right - we of course don’t know as there was no testing, and hasn’t been antibody testing - hospitalisations followed much further down the road.

Unless of course “I think I had Covid in January” was simply a misinformation exercise to reassure people that it wasn’t so bad.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jfman

It’s good news in some respects though - we get to challenge those in denial with actual facts and evidence, from actual reality, on the ground in Britain. Plus the economy will tank for the property parasites like Alan Sugar.

You should be less generous with the use of the word "parasites".

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Originally Posted by Kushan

What's your obsession with punishing younger people? Covid doesn't care what age you are, if you spread it, you spread it. Fine anyone not social distancing or wearing a mask. If you really want to punish the younger folk, take solace in the fact that they have a much lower quality of life than the 50-65 group had when they were younger.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54116939 R is above 1 again.

Here comes second lockdown.

Are you thinking straight?

1/
The bulk of offenders are in the 19-25 age group. So they do more spreading than others.

2/
What I'm mooting is called disincentive to misbehave. Prolly won't work but some disincentive is needed.

[Kushan]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Are you thinking straight?

1/
The bulk of offenders are in the 19-25 age group. So they do more spreading than others.

2/
What I'm mooting is called disincentive to misbehave. Prolly won't work but some disincentive is needed.

Punishing different age groups differently is basically giving a free pass for other age groups to act less responsibly. If you feel people aren't being discouraged enough, that's fine and I agree because far too many people aren't taking things seriously, but punish everyone that's flouting the law equally.

This isn't an age issue, it's an issue that affects everyone and everyone needs to be on board with it.

There's another side to the statistics as well - correlation is not causation. More young people are being infected, that is true and I have no doubt that a proportion of that, even a significant proportion, is people going out drinking and partying - but that doesn't necessarily mean they're breaking the law, refusing to wear masks or not respecting social distancing. You can do everything "right" and still get infected. A large proportion of frontline workers are young people, that also skews the statistics greatly as well. You don't often find retired people working the checkouts.

We eased restrictions, opened pubs and encouraged people to go out, eat out to help out, etc. and suddenly we've had a rise in cases. If you want to look for someone to blame, blame the government. If you want to look for a group to blame, blame the group that refuses to wear a mask, or spreads stupid conspiracy theories - and those groups span all ages, all demographics.