UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The BBC, Sky and ITN should report the news accurately and impartially. They should not have to worry about whether their reports give aid to one side or the other. The BBC and its peers should not be organs of the state.
Singling out the BBC from its two peers Sky and ITV and ignoring their news reporting suggests unconscious bias IMHO.

The BBC is singled out because it is directly taxpayer funded.

Your cheap jibe if unconscious bias on my part is ridiculous. Indeed, though, the press/media are mainly sensation seeking hacks.

[Kushan]

Originally Posted by Carth

Thought you'd be happy at no chance of chlorinated chicken

Funnily enough, I'd rather have a trade agreement with our closest allies that also enforces the food standards that would prevent Chlorinated chicken!

However now my concern is that we'll weaken our negotiating position even further. No deal with the EU means we'll be desperate for a deal elsewhere and the US is a prime candidate. The US can, as I suggested in an earlier post, point at our lack of integrity and demand more from us. They can also use the GFA as another bargaining chip "You broke the GFA, how are you going to make it up to us?".

This sadly doesn't decrease the risk of Chlorinated chicken entering our country, it increases it.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Kushan

Funnily enough, I'd rather have a trade agreement with our closest allies that also enforces the food standards that would prevent Chlorinated chicken!

However now my concern is that we'll weaken our negotiating position even further. No deal with the EU means we'll be desperate for a deal elsewhere and the US is a prime candidate. The US can, as I suggested in an earlier post, point at our lack of integrity and demand more from us. They can also use the GFA as another bargaining chip "You broke the GFA, how are you going to make it up to us?".

This sadly doesn't decrease the risk of Chlorinated chicken entering our country, it increases it.

I guess much depends on which 'experts' you listen to regarding the quality and safety of chlorinated chicken . . and pork

As to weakening our negotiating position, didn't that already happen with the rest of the world when we decided to 'go our own way'?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

The BBC is singled out because it is directly taxpayer funded.

Your cheap jibe if unconscious bias on my part is ridiculous. Indeed, though, the press/media are mainly sensation seeking hacks.

Ownership is irrelevant, the BBC should not be an organ of the state. The laws of the UK mandate the BBC, ITV and Sky News and others to report news impartially.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Carth

I guess much depends on which 'experts' you listen to regarding the quality and safety of chlorinated chicken . . and pork

As to weakening our negotiating position, didn't that already happen with the rest of the world when we decided to 'go our own way'?

Even the EU say there are no safety concerns over it. That is not what there ban is based on.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Interesting commentary from the FT's editorial board.

https://www.ft.com/content/351fe714-...2-fcd3533fff45

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On the other side of the party, the ERG want the government's controversial bill to go even further. Not an easy few weeks for BoJo.
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/sta...64163236450305

Strange - I thought Mark Francois was the Chair of the ERG; I thought he would have very forthright views on this?

[1andrew1]

Part of me wonders whether this legislation along with the Moonshot leaks are a couple of dead cats to distract from the handling of Covid and our economic woes. Time will tell.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Kushan

Funnily enough, I'd rather have a trade agreement with our closest allies that also enforces the food standards that would prevent Chlorinated chicken!

However now my concern is that we'll weaken our negotiating position even further. No deal with the EU means we'll be desperate for a deal elsewhere and the US is a prime candidate. The US can, as I suggested in an earlier post, point at our lack of integrity and demand more from us. They can also use the GFA as another bargaining chip "You broke the GFA, how are you going to make it up to us?".

This sadly doesn't decrease the risk of Chlorinated chicken entering our country, it increases it.

So what - chlorinated chicken. People can take it or leave it, knowing that bacteria on the skin have been killed off.


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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Ownership is irrelevant, the BBC should not be an organ of the state. The laws of the UK mandate the BBC, ITV and Sky News and others to report news impartially.

I've never said it should be an organ of the state nor did I impart any such meaning.

I'm saying that the BBC's first instinct should not be to dwell on the sensationalist aspect that they perceive. Why you can't see that baffles me.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I'm saying that the BBC's first instinct should not be to dwell on the sensationalist aspect that they perceive. Why you can't see that baffles me.

I couldn't see any sensationalism but there's a degree of personal judgement there so we can happily reach different conclusions. One man's accessibility is another's sensationalism.

What I did feel was unfortunate was your apparent bias in condemning only the BBC when the Mail, Sky and ITN also took the same approach on the basis that it is "taxpayer funded". All TV news has to reach the same standards of impartiality regardless of funding mechanisms. You shouldn't hold the BBC to higher standards than its peers.

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Interesting times ahead.

Brexit: EU demands UK scraps plans to override parts of withdrawal agreement by end of the month

The European Union has branded draft UK legislation a "clear breach" of the Brexit withdrawal deal and demanded it be scrapped by the end of the month.

The demand follows emergency talks in London on Thursday between European Commission vice-president Maros Sefcovic and UK cabinet minister Michael Gove, the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster.

It came after the UK government tabled legislation to alter key elements of the Withdrawal Agreement that Prime Minister Boris Johnson signed with Brussels earlier this year.

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-eu...month-12068247

They really don’t get it yet, do they.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I couldn't see any sensationalism but there's a degree of personal judgement there so we can happily reach different conclusions. One man's accessibility is another's sensationalism.

What I did feel was unfortunate was your apparent bias in condemning only the BBC when the Mail, Sky and ITN also took the same approach on the basis that it is "taxpayer funded". All TV news has to reach the same standards of impartiality regardless of funding mechanisms. You shouldn't hold the BBC to higher standards than its peers.

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Interesting times ahead.


https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-eu...month-12068247

What I did feel was unfortunate was your apparent bias in condemning only the BBC when the Mail, Sky and ITN also took the same approach on the basis that it is "taxpayer funded". All TV news has to reach the same standards of impartiality regardless of funding mechanisms. You shouldn't hold the BBC to higher standards than its peer

I condemned them as hacks. I singled out the BBC, as explained earlier, because they are publicly funded.

I couldn't see any sensationalism but there's a degree of personal judgement there so we can happily reach different conclusions. One man's accessibility is another's sensationalism.

Then you must be blind/deaf. Their first line in reporting the adjustment to the WA law was "breaking international law".

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Chris

They really don’t get it yet, do they.

Brexit: EU demands UK scraps plans to override parts of withdrawal agreement by end of the month

As Khan said to Kirk, you are in a position to demand nothing, whereas I am in a position to grant nothing.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I condemned them as hacks. I singled out the BBC, as explained earlier, because they are publicly funded.

Then you must be blind/deaf. Their first line in reporting the adjustment to the WA law was "breaking international law".

We'll never agree on the first one but to your credit, you do acknowledge your difference in approach to the broadcasters but as you set higher standards for the BBC it will never fare well for you.
I'm a bit disappointed by your second paragraph though. The government and other organisations used this terminology too and I've explained how stories don't stay static and evolve during the day.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Chris

They really don’t get it yet, do they.

I'm wondering if they'll now have an emergency meeting to discus kicking us out of the EU . . hey don't laugh, anything is possible with that lot

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Chris

They really don’t get it yet, do they.

No, but the threat of a court case should wake 'em up.