Coronavirus (OLD)

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mick

Where I normally defend the government I voted for, I absolutely cannot defend them tonight, announcing on Twitter to millions of people at almost the 11th hour of the evening, these new restrictions that make absolutely no sense, households to be banned from seeing other households but can see them at the pub....

It’s blindingly obvious that this is to do with Eid, and they’ve even rolled out a lowly backbencher to say as much.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

There’s lemmings and different cultures. Plus everyone knows what I’m talking about.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Originally Posted by Pierre

It’s blindingly obvious that this is to do with Eid, and they’ve even rolled out a lowly backbencher to say as much.

Pretty amazing that the infection rates spiked before Eid actually happened, as symptoms on average appear five days after infection, and if people were gathering for Eid, they would have had to have been doing this a week before Eid?

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Pretty amazing that the infection rates spiked before Eid actually happened, as symptoms on average appear five days after infection, and if people were gathering for Eid, they would have had to have been doing this a week before Eid?

Every Friday there’s cultural activity within the Same ethnic group that observes Eid.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Every Friday there’s cultural activity within the Same ethnic group that observes Eid.

Bingo ?

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Hugh

When I read your post to my Dalmatian, it barked uncontrollably for some reason...

Anyway, I wonder what "culture" these people are from?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...607907?SThisFB

So how is that related to the areas with large increases? Are people really coming all the way down from the NW or Leicester or Peterborough? Milton Keynes and Northampton perhaps. Have Bournemouth, Brighton, and Poole had large increases?
Link

Councillor Arooj Shah said Oldham had seen a rise in infections among communities of Pakistani and Bangladeshi heritage.

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'A lot' of British Muslims have not taken the threat of coronavirus 'seriously enough' and a lack of social distancing has caused a 'dangerous' spike in cases in the north of England, a mosque president told MailOnline today.

Mohammed Ashrif Tahir Nushai, 84, a community leader in Bradford, spoke out as the Government was blasted for imposing a new lockdown in Manchester, east Lancashire and West Yorkshire at the start of Eid.
Mr Nushai told MailOnline: ‘Sadly, there are people within our community who are not taking coronavirus seriously enough. Since the easing of the main lockdown, a lot of people have been visiting relatives and friends and attending events in each other’s homes with very little thought of keeping themselves safe
...

Akhtar Mahmood, a member of the mosque committee added: ‘One of the big problems we have had is of people going to pay their respects at the homes of those who have recently died. We lost a member of our congregation two weeks ago and there were 50 people gathered at his house to express their sympathies.’ A single road in Bradford registered an astonishing 17 coronavirus cases within six days, it has emerged.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Pretty amazing that the infection rates spiked before Eid actually happened, as symptoms on average appear five days after infection, and if people were gathering for Eid, they would have had to have been doing this a week before Eid?

They also gather in large number for funerals. There have been a few(perhaps more at local level) reported cases.
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AROUND 250 people who attended a funeral at a mosque are being asked to self-isolate after the imam tested positive for the coronavirus.
The Jamia Ghosia mosque, based on Chester Street in Blackburn, hosted a funeral on July 13 where in the region of 250 people turned-up – despite official government guidance stating a maximum of 30 people are allowed to attend such events.

[1andrew1]

I can understand why Boris Johnson may wish to delay opening up England further and why he might be keen on levelling up the playing field with Europe here.

European Covid 19 deaths 25-31 July
England: 430
Romania: 193
France: 65
Poland: 61
Italy: 44
Belgium: 28
Germany: 23
Portugal: 23
Wales: 12
Spain: 11
Netherlands: 8
Austria: 7
Greece: 5
Switzerland: 4
Denmark: 2
Ireland: 1
Hungary: 0
Lithuania: 0
Scotland: 0 (not reported yet for the period, last comparable was 8)
N. Ireland: 0

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I can understand why Boris Johnson may wish to delay opening up England further and why he might be keen on levelling up the playing field with Europe here.

European Covid 19 deaths 25-31 July
England: 430
Romania: 193
France: 65
Poland: 61
Italy: 44
Belgium: 28
Germany: 23
Portugal: 23
Wales: 12
Spain: 11
Netherlands: 8
Austria: 7
Greece: 5
Switzerland: 4
Denmark: 2
Ireland: 1
Hungary: 0
Lithuania: 0
Scotland: 0 (not reported yet for the period, last comparable was 8)
N. Ireland: 0

Are We still recording C19 Deaths like when you test positive and are then hit by a bus?

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Bingo ?

https://onlinebingo.co.uk/news/what-...about-gambling

Gambling is usually considered forbidden (or haram) in Islam. However, the Quran does allow gambling in certain circumstances, usually when it is a guaranteed win.

The Prophet Muhammad said in the Sunan Abu Dawud that “Wagers are allowed only for racing camels or horses, or shooting arrows.” So while gambling is typically frowned upon in Islam, some exceptions do apply.

Read that out to Hugh's Dalmation. Woof.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Are We still recording C19 Deaths like when you test positive and are then hit by a bus?

Probably so . . . can we ban buses to reduce the figures?

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Every Friday there’s cultural activity within the Same ethnic group that observes Eid.

Well, you don’t have to worry about "unconscious bias"...

As you know, there are also "cultural activities" in another cultural group every Sunday, but obviously, that’s different...

Anyway, back in reality (well, reality near me, anyway)...

Leeds Grand Mosque

Dear sisters and brothers,

Peace be upon you and ALLAH's mercy and blessings. Eid Mubarak to you all
We would like to announce that Thursday, July 30th, is the ninth of The Month of Dhu'l-Hijja - The Day of Arafa - and that Eid falls on Friday, July 31st, the tenth of Dhu'l-Hijja.

In the interests of your safety and the safety of the Leeds city community, we regret and are saddened that we will not be able to open the mosque for this year's Eid al-Adha prayers.

Also, their guidelines appear much stricter than my local pubs and restaurants...

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

https://onlinebingo.co.uk/news/what-...about-gambling





Read that out to Hugh's Dalmation. Woof.

Dalmatian...

<whistle>

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Well, you don’t have to worry about "unconscious bias"...

As you know, there are also "cultural activities" in another cultural group every Sunday, but obviously, that’s different...

Anyway, back in reality (well, reality near me, anyway)...

Leeds Grand Mosque


Also, their guidelines appear much stricter than my local pubs and restaurants...

So it's Christians that are getting together, 250 or more at a time for a funeral or 200 or so gathering on the streets for a festival, and then attacking each other and the Police?
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At around 11.30pm, officers responded to numerous reports that a large crowd was blocking traffic on the junction of Ilford Lane and Dudley Road.
Once on the scene, police asked the crowd of around 150-200 people — who had attended Eid celebrations — to disperse.
They say that as crowds began to leave the area, a fight broke out between two groups at Rutland Road.
Police intervened and one officer sustained a head injury.

It's not whether there are any rules, it's whether people are sticking to them. It is Muslims themselves that are complaining that it is spreading amongst them, and because they are not following the rules.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by nomadking

So it's Christians that are getting together, 250 or more at a time for a funeral or 200 or so gathering on the streets for a festival, and then attacking each other and the Police?
Link


It's not whether there are any rules, it's whether people are sticking to them. It is Muslims themselves that are complaining that it is spreading amongst them, and because they are not following the rules.

... but Hugh thinks that by pointing all this out, we are guilty of "unconscious bias" - he probably means more than that. He couldn't be more wrong. There is a clash of cultures and anybody pointing this out as undesirable is a baddie.

You can't fight Coronavirus properly in this divided climate.