Coronavirus (OLD)

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by nomadking

So when have the media ever set out the underlying principles, so that people can understand them? They are CONSTANTLY causing confusion, merely by using the word "confusion", and CONSTANTLY handing out convenient excuses for people to use, that they can then use to not obey the simple rules. Eg "Oh I can't wear a mask because of X, Y, Z", when the X, Y, and Z have come from the media. "I don't have to socially distance because of X, Y, Z", when again those non-existent excuses have come direct from the media. They just repeat them parrot-fashion. Just watch the news and see the excuses people come up with, and then say that the excuse has just been repeating something in the media. It goes on CONSTANTLY on all sorts of issues, long before now.

So what you're saying is that the governments instructions have been perfectly crystal clear and the media have sought to confuse the issue by adding things the government haven't said?

To confirm, you're saying that for example the government has never said about who is required to wear a mask and which people are exempt?

Aye, righto.......

To add to that, making the announcement on twitter? hardly able to get a clear message across with limited characters, I"m presuming that's of course twitters fault.....

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Personally i believe that the health secretary has been confusing since this all started.

If it were up to me I'd have Rishi as PM,Chancellor & any other important ministerial roll.

He's outperformed (considerably) all others in the current climate..

Yes, Boris has surrounded himself with a pool of "yes to Brexit, yes to Boris" people and Sunak Rishi is one of the few in that pool to shine through. But the ending of the furlough scheme and Brexit will test his worth.
Pleased that Failing Grayling did not get to head up the Intelligence Committee. That was an oxymoron if ever I heard one.

[Carth]

Makes me laugh that many on here use twitter posts as part of their daily arguments, but when the Government use twitter as a message medium they get slaughtered

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Carth

Makes me laugh that many on here use twitter posts as part of their daily arguments, but when the Government use twitter as a message medium they get slaughtered

a) I don't use twitter, nor do i frequently reference it
b) if you need to be educated as to why the government made a poor decision to use twitter to deliver a hugely important message which required a great deal of information to be given to 4.5m affected people then thats a sad state of affairs

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

a) I don't use twitter, nor do i frequently reference it
b) if you need to be educated as to why the government made a poor decision to use twitter to deliver a hugely important message which required a great deal of information to be given to 4.5m affected people then thats a sad state of affairs

Did you miss the bit where it was announced on the late evening news? I should imagine the final decision was taken AFTER the early evening news. A post was made in this very thread timed as 9:22pm and taken from Sky News. It was also reported on the BBC News website.

No great deal of information required, just that those in specified areas should "KEEP AWAY FROM OTHERS(wherever they are, eg Wales)". Not that complicated.

How else do people suggest it should've been put in a simple manner, that can also cover all the bogus scenarios?

What do people expect, a years notice of any changes?

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Did you miss the bit where it was announced on the late evening news? I should imagine the final decision was taken AFTER the early evening news. A post was made in this very thread timed as 9:22pm and taken from Sky News. It was also reported on the BBC News website.

No great deal of information required, just that those in specified areas should "KEEP AWAY FROM OTHERS(wherever they are, eg Wales)". Not that complicated.

How else do people suggest it should've been put in a simple manner, that can also cover all the bogus scenarios?

I was unaware it was on the late evening news, but to my knowledge it was release on twitter first. Why not make the announcement at 12pm today coming into effect from Saturday

A highly complex situation cannot be explained via simple statements to a satisfactory degree

That's like saying to those who handle nuclear waste 'just be careful with it and you'll be alright'


Finally, the ONSS & Chris Whitty have said we're reaching the limits of what we can do. But Boris is still going ahead with returning to the workplace and opening schools.

If the government tries to curb social activity to allow economic activity to increase the British public as a whole I suspect will not tolerate it.

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[Press Conference]
Hi Folks,
Boris here,
We haven't got a clue.
[/Press Conference]

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

I was unaware it was on the late evening news, but to my knowledge it was release on twitter first. Why not make the announcement at 12pm today coming into effect from Saturday

A highly complex situation cannot be explained via simple statements to a satisfactory degree

That's like saying to those who handle nuclear waste 'just be careful with it and you'll be alright'

Finally, the ONSS & Chris Whitty have said we're reaching the limits of what we can do. But Boris is still going ahead with returning to the workplace and opening schools.

If the government tries to curb social activity to allow economic activity to increase the British public as a whole I suspect will not tolerate it.

So where is it curbing social activity in order to allow economic activity?
Link

Venues that had been due to open tomorrow will not do so until at least 15 August. These include bowling alleys, skating rinks and casinos, Boris Johnson says.
Changes to wedding celebrations will also be postponed, he adds.

Let's be honest here, if it had been left any longer(even just hours) then the number of cases would've shot up dramatically in the days to come. It's still going to shoot upwards anyway, because they are not going to follow the instructions of what is needed.

The media a taking the approach of "if it doesn't say you can't touch nuclear waste with your feet, then you are allowed to do just that". Common sense and underlying principles don't come into it.

If people living in an area have been told to stay away from others, that ALSO applies to them meeting up with people in other areas. The virus DOESN'T magically dissappear if they went to those other areas. Everybody is too busy looking for a "get out excuse".

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by nomadking

So where is it curbing social activity in order to allow economic activity?
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Let's be honest here, if it had been left any longer(even just hours) then the number of cases would've shot up dramatically in the days to come. It's still going to shoot upwards anyway, because they are not going to follow the instructions of what is needed.

The media a taking the approach of "if it doesn't say you can't touch nuclear waste with your feet, then you are allowed to do just that". Common sense and underlying principles don't come into it.

If people living in an area have been told to stay away from others, that ALSO applies to them meeting up with people in other areas. The virus DOESN'T magically dissappear if they went to those other areas. Everybody is too busy looking for a "get out excuse".

Did you watch the news conference? Both Chris Whitty and Boris clearly stated that due to us being at the 'limits' trade offs we're going to need to be made.

By your very logic does the virus disappear when only economic activities are permitted?

And those who live in lets call them 'a partial lockdown area' but can't work from home or they travel outside of the 'partial lockdown area' for their work according to your statement above should not be going to work, something which goes directly against what Boris has said....?

Meeting people outside of areas for social activity - Bad
Meeting people outside of areas for economic activity - OK

Please explain how the virus differentiates between the two?

[Carth]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

a) I don't use twitter, nor do i frequently reference it
b) if you need to be educated as to why the government made a poor decision to use twitter to deliver a hugely important message which required a great deal of information to be given to 4.5m affected people then thats a sad state of affairs

A) Post wasn't aimed at you specifically, and I don't use twitter/farcebook either.
B) IMO people who deliberately ignore, or who are unable to understand the reason for 'social distancing' during a pandemic after all these months, are beyond any further attempt at educating.

. . . or maybe it's a language issue?

[Taf]

It's been blatantly obvious that muslim areas of our city stayed open for business from the start of this pandemic. Crowded ethnic shops have been the norm. No police action at all from what I have seen.

To now be told that parts of the UK with large muslim populations are being pushed back into lockdown comes as no surprise.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Carth

A) Post wasn't aimed at you specifically, and I don't use twitter/farcebook either.
B) IMO people who deliberately ignore, or who are unable to understand the reason for 'social distancing' during a pandemic after all these months, are beyond any further attempt at educating.

. . . or maybe it's a language issue?

So how do you explain a area like Trafford which is a mostly affluent part of Greater Manchester where health officials said younger middle-class residents were behind the recent rise in cases and not the south Asian community?.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by denphone

So how do you explain a area like Trafford which is a mostly affluent part of Greater Manchester where health officials said younger middle-class residents were behind the recent rise in cases and not the south Asian community?.

Did I mention Asians Den?

And why did you single them out instead of Chinese, Russian, Latvian, Vietnamese, Turkish, Mongolian etc

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Carth

Did I mention Asians Den?

And why did you single them out instead of Chinese, Russian, Latvian, Vietnamese, Turkish, Mongolian etc

What else would your last comments be about.

l quote.

or maybe it's a language issue?

Personally its not a simple as that Carth as take my city as one example where over half the local city population have totally ignored all the guidelines that have been issued.

Our city is mostly of white British as there are not many ethnic minorities down here.

[1andrew1]

This is hysterical - well it would be if the subject were not so serious! Try and take it as light reiief as the alternative is realising it's pretty scary having this guy in charge of health
https://twitter.com/JoshHalliday/sta...09060797726721

[Carth]

Originally Posted by denphone

Our city is mostly of white British as there are not many ethnic minorities down here.

Probably why you misinterpreted the post then, other places have a mix of nationalities, some of which definitely struggle with comprehending English