Coronavirus (OLD)

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Agreed. I think confusingly isolation instructions are at country level, but travel instructions are more precise.

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-a9638176.html

Where does it exclude the islands from the self-isolation rules?
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People already in Spain can stay for the remainder of their holiday, the government says.
However, from Sunday, they will have to self-isolate for two weeks upon their return.
The rules apply to travellers arriving from anywhere in Spain - including the Canary and Balearic Islands.

They're certainly not listed separately as being somewhere you don't have to self-isolate on returning. There isn't as such a list of countries that you have self-isolate on returning, only a list of countries where you don't.
Travel Corridor list

[jfman]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Where does it exclude the islands from the self-isolation rules?
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They're certainly not listed separately as being somewhere you don't have to self-isolate on returning. There isn't as such a list of countries that you have self-isolate on returning, only a list of countries where you don't.
Travel Corridor list

Nomadking is right. Everyone returning from Spain (inc. islands) quarantines.

Separately the Foreign Office advises against all non-essential travel to the Spanish mainland. This advice does not apply to the islands. It means nothing in terms of quarantine.

More reckless reporting by the BBC.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53541503

While I’ve some (limited) sympathy for folk caught up in this the Government advice could always change at short notice. And the idiot who says:

People entering the UK from Spain pose significantly less risk to people in the UK than the 99% of the UK's population that show a total disregard for lockdown and social distancing measures.

Should frankly not be given a platform to spout such bitter nonsense.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Where does it exclude the islands from the self-isolation rules?

I've not made that claim. What I said was:

"I think confusingly isolation instructions are at country level..." so anyone returning from anywhere in Spain would face the same self-isolation rules.

"...but travel instructions are more precise." The travel instruction rules are more precise than country level as the Foreign Office "now advises against all non-essential travel there [mainland Spain] – but not the Balearic and Canary Islands.

My friend is not going to be happy, she is in Lanzarote this week.

[pip08456]

This is an interesting development, if it goes any further remains to be seen. Seaweed extract may be better than Remdesvir.

https://www.labroots.com/trending/dr...cking-covid-19

[jfman]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ers-from-spain

Unhelpful input from the Labour Party.

Well if we had an effective track and trace we might be doing better.Seems a good point to make.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Maggy

Well if we had an effective track and trace we might be doing better.Seems a good point to make.

We might, and it’s definitely part of the answer. However these aren’t mutually exclusive options.

The Labour Party are cynically undermining the public health response to try and get public support. Unfortunately, managing the pandemic means making unpopular choices. There’s no going back to normal regardless of how much anyone wishes it to be so.

Nobody leaving the UK should reasonably expect to return and not have the possibility of quarantine given in the 7-14 day period of a holiday much can change in that time at your destination.

Messing up border control speeds up a second lockdown. If we want to avoid that then we need to throw everything at our disposal at controlling this.

BREAKING: UK’s Chief Veterinary Officer has confirmed the first confirmed animal (a pet cat), is infected with Covid-19 in Weybridge, Surrey.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mick

BREAKING: UK’s Chief Veterinary Officer has confirmed the first confirmed animal (a pet cat), is infected with Covid-19 in Weybridge, Surrey.

I was just reading this https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...virus-22423248


The government said there was no evidence to suggest the animal transmitted the disease to its owners.

Instead a government spokesman said: "All available evidence suggests that the cat contracted the coronavirus from its owners who had previously tested positive for COVID-19.


"The cat and its owners have since made a full recovery and there was no transmission to other animals or people in the household."

It is the first confirmed case of an animal infection with the coronavirus strain in the UK, after a small number of others in Europe, North America and Asia.

This breaking news story is being updated.

[nomadking]

Link

Under the current system, contact tracers attempt to reach close contacts of an infected person by text, email or up to 10 times by phone call.

If they don't respond there's not much else you can do.

More than 5,500 people in four areas with the highest infection rates in England were not contacted when they should have been told to self-isolate, the Guardian has learned. These included 3,340 people in Leicester, 984 in Kirklees, 759 in Rochdale and 448 in Blackburn with Darwen.

Factors including language barriers, distrust of unknown callers and missed emails could explain the low contact completion rate in the worst-affected towns, where in some cases the virus is disproportionately affecting people of south Asian heritage.

The initial infection case must know enough about the other contacts in order to give out the contact info.

[heero_yuy]

If the phone contacters withhold their number or have the call centre 3 second delay most people either don't take the call or hang up.

e-mail is a much better way of contacting IMHO.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by jfman

We might, and it’s definitely part of the answer. However these aren’t mutually exclusive options.

The Labour Party are cynically undermining the public health response to try and get public support. Unfortunately, managing the pandemic means making unpopular choices. There’s no going back to normal regardless of how much anyone wishes it to be so.

Nobody leaving the UK should reasonably expect to return and not have the possibility of quarantine given in the 7-14 day period of a holiday much can change in that time at your destination.

Messing up border control speeds up a second lockdown. If we want to avoid that then we need to throw everything at our disposal at controlling this.

Compared to the sacrifices made by the NHS and key workers, foregoing an overseas foreign holiday is the least anyone can do. The depleted UK tourism industry can also do with our spending power.

Well, we’re in self-isolation until my daughter’s test results come back...

She came round for a coffee yesterday, but the day before, she had been at a "baby shower" in a friend’s garden, and one of the other attendees tested positive this morning - my daughter and her husband are being tested this afternoon, and they should get the results back in 48 hours.

Probably being over-cautious, but we’d rather be safe than sorry (not spread it to others in case we have caught it).

[Sephiroth]

http://999callfornhs.org.uk/lancet-e...ack/4594892241

This is the most damning trustworthy report I have read that lays bare what was wrong with the UK's approach to CV.

The UK Government’s Contain–Delay–Mitigate–Research strategy failed. It failed, in part, because ministers didn’t follow WHO’s advice to “test, test, test” every suspected case. They didn’t isolate and quarantine. They didn’t contact trace.

... and there's more in the link.