Coronavirus (OLD)

Originally Posted by Mr K

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9630556.html


Bit sobering to those pinning their hours on a cure all vaccine or that life will ever get back to 'normal' again.

Once there’s a vaccine in regular use - even one that needs readministering annually - things will be normal. We’re already vaccinated against a ton of stuff, this is just one more. Covid-19 is a problem because there’s no vaccine, no immunity and therefore it spreads rapidly and overwhelms our health care services. Once its ability to spread freely is dealt with it will be no more troublesome than flu.

[joglynne]

I, and many others, already have a Flu vaccine every year, just part of being able to live a normal life.

If having to have a regular Covid -19 vaccination is what it takes then it will be a small inconvenience that many, hopefully most, will accept as being necessary if they wish to have that semblance of a 'normal life'.

The more that is known about about Covid-19, how to treat it, how to identify it, how to fight it and who needs to be vaccinated, the stronger we will be to keep it from decimating the world. Will we ever eradicate it? No. Can we eventually live with it? I damn well hope so.


For anyone who wants to see a fuller report of Sir John Bells's, and other experts evidence to The Health and Social Care Committee, a cross-party group of MPs, a fuller account of the meeting on 21st July can be seen here ...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53488142

[pip08456]

Oh please joglynne don't tell me Mr_K was cherry picking from the report. How unusual. Let's face it, until a vaccine is tested and passed no one knows what level of immunity it will give or how long it will last. Until then any opinion is just guesswork.

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Chris

Once there’s a vaccine in regular use - even one that needs readministering annually - things will be normal. We’re already vaccinated against a ton of stuff, this is just one more. Covid-19 is a problem because there’s no vaccine, no immunity and therefore it spreads rapidly and overwhelms our health care services. Once its ability to spread freely is dealt with it will be no more troublesome than flu.

The immunity thing is interesting in light of a paper preview published in Nature on the 15th July (link warning, very techy!)

In that paper, T-cell responses to different parts of SARS-Cov-2 proteins were tested against the white blood cells of people who were;

• Previously infected with SARS-Cov-2
• Previously infected with SARS (SARS-Cov-1)
• Never infected with either

For the uninitiated, T-cell responses are the immune systems way for killing already infected cells. They also help stimulate the production of antibodies (B-cell response)

Unsurprisingly, people who have had COVID-19 showed a good response to SARS-Cov-2 fragments. So did 100% of people who previously had SARS 17 years ago.

More significant is around 50% of the people who have never seen SARS-Cov-1 or 2 also showed a response to SARS-Cov-2! This suggests, at least in the population tested, that there is some kind of immunity to the current Coronavirus pandemic in naive patients. The follow up needs to be looking at infection rates and outcomes for people who previously showed a response while naive to see if this response translates to real world effects.

[tweetiepooh]

Once there is a way to stop the NHS being overloaded then we can get back to normal. I don't see keeping screens around tables and other social distancing remaining. People will want to get back to "crowds" and some businesses need it.
COVID-19, 20, 29 etc will likely become part of the annual disease cycle, some get ill, some very ill, some die, many will just get through it and if like COVID-19 may not really notice it. Until of course VIRUS-xx starts it all off again.

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

Once there is a way to stop the NHS being overloaded then we can get back to normal. I don't see keeping screens around tables and other social distancing remaining. People will want to get back to "crowds" and some businesses need it.
COVID-19, 20, 29 etc will likely become part of the annual disease cycle, some get ill, some very ill, some die, many will just get through it and if like COVID-19 may not really notice it. Until of course VIRUS-xx starts it all off again.

A bit harsh!

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Maggy

A bit harsh!

Probably so, but 'That's Life' the good, bad, and ugly of it

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Oh please joglynne don't tell me Mr_K was cherry picking from the report. How unusual. Let's face it, until a vaccine is tested and passed no one knows what level of immunity it will give or how long it will last. Until then any opinion is just guesswork.

No report cherry picking , I just posted a whole article from the Independent from an 'a distinguished scientist and regius professor of medicine at Oxford University'. He was giving evidence to a select committee, he's probably more expert in the area than you or me.

This whole 'it'll be over by Christmas' bull we get from 'expert Boris' we had from politicians a long time ago on another crisis (before my time even !). Boris can't even follow his own advice and proudly shook the hands of covid patients and subsequently others, where did that get him and his colleagues.... He's a Westminster 'super-spreader' and muppet.
And why Christmas ? Why not 18th October, or 3rd February? It's not something they're in control of and they treat us like morons.

[Carth]

To be bluntly honest, in my personal but non expert opinion, I'd have to say possibly 65% of the population are morons

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Carth

To be bluntly honest, in my personal but non expert opinion, I'd have to say possibly 65% of the population are morons

l hope you did not include some of your favourite forum members in that generalising assumption.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by denphone

l hope you did not include some of your favourite forum members in that generalising assumption.

Not at all Den

People on here are generally well behaved, articulate and often helpful in many ways. Even the ones I sometimes disagree with are pleasant people but just have a differing opinion on some topics.

that's not to say, however, that if the cap fits, anyone can feel free to wear it

Originally Posted by denphone

l hope you did not include some of your favourite forum members in that generalising assumption.

He was thinking more of twitter users.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Paul

He was thinking more of twitter users.

l use Twitter sometimes as l use Facebook sometimes.

[richard s]

Originally Posted by denphone

l use Twitter sometimes as l use Facebook sometimes.

I do not use either as they are probably hacked by the Russians Dhoooo!!!

[heero_yuy]

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