Coronavirus (OLD)

[Taf]

I wonder why these clusters are forming in these areas?

Originally Posted by Carth

Well . . racism rears its ugly head again

Who'd have thought it in these enlightened times we live in

Some people are always looking for someone else to B[L]AME.
No one knows why [it seems] some races may be more affected (not just in the UK).
Of course, lack of real facts has never stopped the media cooking up a sensational story.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Well, I did ask at the outset of this sub-discussion whether or not I had misunderstood something! Basically the scandal is that there should have been any significant CV deaths at all in care homes.

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You are wrong to bring politics into this - at least as far as I'm concerned. My assessment of sensationalism is the Torygraph's report on the matter. The article (behind paywall) does not go into the same rationale as Downquark, leaving it to the readers' imaginations.

Also you characterisation of this administration is true of any British government. They're all lying spinmasters.

The GE decided which bunch of spinmasters should govern us.

Right - that's straight now.

I am not bringing politics into this, you are. By misrepresenting the truth to play down the mistakes made by a Government you support, you are being disingenuous. No, nothing is straight if you are unable to recognise the fundamental requirement for honesty in this situation.

[Taf]

I think I may have solved it....

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Carth

Well . . racism rears its ugly head again

Who'd have thought it in these enlightened times we live in


https://www.itv.com/news/2020-05-13/...hs-nhs-racism/

Well I think it’s bollocks, BAME people appear to be more impacted, but there are genetic, social and occupational reasons not particularly racism.

Why are more people from BAME backgrounds dying from coronavirus? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52219070

[Julian]

Originally Posted by ianch99

I am not bringing politics into this,

Originally Posted by ianch

The biggest issue we face is that this administration's policy team has its origins in the Vote Leave campaign where the concept of truth was wholly optional and misinformation & misdirection were deliberate strategy decisions.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by ianch99

I am not bringing politics into this, you are. By misrepresenting the truth to play down the mistakes made by a Government you support, you are being disingenuous. No, nothing is straight if you are unable to recognise the fundamental requirement for honesty in this situation.

You are wrong to bring politics into this - at least as far as I'm concerned. My assessment of sensationalism is the Torygraph's report on the matter. The article (behind paywall) does not go into the same rationale as Downquark, leaving it to the readers' imaginations.

Also you characterisation of this administration is true of any British government. They're all lying spinmasters.

The GE decided which bunch of spinmasters should govern us.

Right - that's straight now.

I am astonished and disappointed with your somewhat insulting remarks. If you read what I wrote (re-quoted above). Of course I recognise the need for honesty and all governments are liars when they've got an indefensible position to protect.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Taf

I wonder why these clusters are forming in these areas?

Non adherence to lockdown

[denphone]

Originally Posted by jfman

Non adherence to lockdown

And a lack of common sense of course.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Carth

Well . . racism rears its ugly head again

Who'd have thought it in these enlightened times we live in


https://www.itv.com/news/2020-05-13/...hs-nhs-racism/

It affects more men than women but that doesn’t seem to be making many headlines right now. Still, it’s a man’s world...

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by denphone

And a lack of common sense of course.

Could be construed as “racist”....................

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Julian

Truth hurts doesn't it

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I am astonished and disappointed with your somewhat insulting remarks. If you read what I wrote (re-quoted above). Of course I recognise the need for honesty and all governments are liars when they've got an indefensible position to protect.

Don't be astonished. Treating a report of 1000's of additional deaths in the care home sector as "sensationalist" was a mistake. Any report that discusses Government policy documents which set out guidance for transferring possible Covid-infected patients from hositials into the care home system without negative testing should be treated with the utmost seriousness.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Truth hurts doesn't it

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Don't be astonished. Treating a report of 1000's of additional deaths in the care home sector as "sensationalist" was a mistake. Any report that discusses Government policy documents which set out guidance for transferring possible Covid-infected patients from hositials into the care home system without negative testing should be treated with the utmost seriousness.

You are accusing me of bias in this matter towards the Conservative government.

To back that up, you've mixed in my complaint that the Torygraph (among others) was headlining the 40% without any discussion of the cause(s). The article (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...us-fatalities/ link to the paywall) does not discuss government policy documents.

I also posed a question as to whether I had misunderstood anything in questioning the scandal. Accordingly, it was made clear by other (more reasonable people) that I had misunderstood the situation - namely I'd not taken into account the scandal of positive tested patients being moved into care homes.

You really need to back down and not politicise this matter nor insult me.

You can have the last word if you want.

[RichardCoulter]

Just watched an interesting programme about how South Korea is dealing with the situation and 'only' had 259 deaths:

https://www.channel4.com/programmes/...beat-the-virus

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Originally Posted by downquark1

To use an analogy, the virus is a runaway train and the lockdown was a brake. Basically it has slowed down enough now you can release the brake a little.

If we release the lockdown and there is no difference then the lockdown was a mistake (although we didn't know that at the time, you only get reliable data on the virus after it has infected a lot of people - also the Chinese data was bullshit)

Thanks, so the lockdown was to delay the numbers of people getting the virus so that the NHS wasn't overwhelmed. Now that the peak has passed, people can go back to work (with cautionary measures) as the NHS will be able to cope with the inevitable number of extra people who will catch and/or die from Covid-19 and that the Government believes that this is worth it to protect the economy as any further damage to it would cause even more problems to our society.

Is that a fair summary?

[downquark1]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Thanks, so the lockdown was to delay the numbers of people getting the virus so that the NHS wasn't overwhelmed. Now that the peak has passed, people can go back to work (with cautionary measures) as the NHS will be able to cope with the inevitable number of extra people who will catch and/or die from Covid-19 and that the Government believes that this is worth it to protect the economy as any further damage to it would cause even more problems to our society.

Is that a fair summary?

That's pretty much it. I will add that also people will start rebelling the longer they are locked down for no noticeable reason and with the data we've collected in this time this could give the technocrats more confidence they can predict and manage the situation.