Coronavirus (OLD)

[Russ]

That’s on the idea that people would want to WFH. There probably are many but personally I can’t wait to get back to the office. I miss the team dynamic, camaraderie and the requirement to wear clothes on my lower half.

[Taf]

The concern about working from home always concerns admin staff. In fact I heard the slips by a few BBC reporters saying things like "Why should we have to go into the office?"

No apparent thought for the masses working in factories, laboratories, building sites, et al.

Originally Posted by jfman

With such a broad consensus emerging I'm amazed I've been banned from this thread so often.

Try not to go for the hat trick then, eh.

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I dont mind working from home.
However, I would prefer not to do it all the while, perhaps 2/3 days a week.
Its not just me it affects, the rest of the house has to adapt, which isnt entirely fair.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

With such a broad consensus emerging I'm amazed I've been banned from this thread so often.

Jesus, I had to bite my lip.......so hard .

Originally Posted by Pierre

Jesus, I had to bite my lip.......so hard .

Brings a whole new meaning to love/hate relationship...

Originally Posted by Russ

That’s on the idea that people would want to WFH. There probably are many but personally I can’t wait to get back to the office. I miss the team dynamic, camaraderie and the requirement to wear clothes on my lower half.

Ah, one of those office with strict dress codes eh?

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Russ

That’s on the idea that people would want to WFH. There probably are many but personally I can’t wait to get back to the office. I miss the team dynamic, camaraderie and the requirement to wear clothes on my lower half.

I think you will find it's whether the company wants it, not whether you want it.

Do you want the work or don't you? Sorry, but that's what it comes down to.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by jfman

Re: the jailbroken iPhones. The jailbroken phone is required to let them delve further into the behaviour of the app. The intention is the final app once designed can run on iPhones that aren't jailbroken.

That may be the case but any observations on how the app performs on a jailbroken iPhone is just misdirection.

Anyway, it seems that they maybe be accepting the folly of this approach:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...-apple-google/

Move comes as fears raised that NHS model may suffer technical glitches and prevent Britons from travelling abroad

The NHS has asked a private company to investigate whether it can switch its contact tracing app over to the global standard proposed by Apple and Google, it has emerged only days after the UK's version launched on the Isle of Wight.

Swiss company Zuhlke, which is working on the NHS Covid-19 app, has reportedly been told to examine the feasibility of moving the app to the decentralised model favoured by the tech giants and being chosen by more and more European countries for contract tracing.

The move follows warnings that the UK model is not compatible with emerging global standards for such apps, something that could affect Britons' ability to travel abroad in future.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Damien

Ah, one of those office with strict dress codes eh?

Bluddy opressive regime I tell you!!

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I think you will find it's whether the company wants it, not whether you want it.

Do you want the work or don't you? Sorry, but that's what it comes down to.

Really? Fascinating, what else do you know about the company I work for?

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Chris

I believe that’s what’s known as transference.

Seeing as you have read it but not understood it, I’ll try to be as simple as possible.

The researchers use jail broken phones so they can verify that the app is working as claimed.

Jail broken phones allow unauthorised apps to be run, that reveal things normally hidden to users.

The jail broken state of the phone is of no relevance beyond providing evidence that the tracing app seems to work as intended.



And it seems you’re more interested in maintaining your belief that the app won’t work, in the face of hard evidence to the contrary.

Go figure.

Oh dear (again). I am surprised at your level of condescension. I was asking civil questions so maybe you just have a problem with being questioned?

Thanks for being simple BTW. The scientific test is not the behaviour of the atypical device. Rather it is the behaviour of the App running on the various retail builds of iOS that is the deciding factor, something you fail to grasp.

As to the hard evidence, there seem to be some issues:

Isle of Wight contact tracing app 'fails to work on four-year-old phones', residents say

The NHS contact-tracing app has been hit by a series of glitches on the first day of its roll-out on the Isle of Wight, which saw residents saying it did not work on phones that are only four years old.

Islanders used social media to vent frustrations over the app with others complaining it drained their phone battery or was bombarding them with multiple notifications.

However, the island’s MP Bob Seely said the trial of the app had gotten off to a “strong start” with over 30,000 people downloading it.

The bugs come as the NHS is considering ditching its own model of the app and switching over to the system preferred by Apple and Google.

On Thursday, Columbia became the latest country to mothball its efforts to build a contact-tracing app, after it was beset by technical problems, and is now moving over the tech giants’ model....

Exclusive: ‘Wobbly’ tracing app ‘failed’ clinical safety and cyber security tests

Contact tracing app ‘fails’ NHS and cyber security tests

NHS Covid contact-tracing app could be ILLEGAL and will cause chaos for Brits' foreign travel because it's incompatible with Apple-Google system, warn critics as it goes live on the Isle of Wight

Interestingly:

https://techcrunch.com/2020/05/07/uk...racing-report/

In related news today, Reuters reports that Colombia has pulled its own coronavirus contacts tracing app after experiencing glitches and inaccuracies. The app had used alternative technology to power contacts logging via Bluetooth and wi-fi. A government official told the news agency it aims to rebuild the system and may now use the Apple-Google API.

Australia has also reported Bluetooth related problems with its national coronavirus app. And has also been reported to be moving towards adopting the Apple-Google API.

While, Singapore, the first country to launch a Bluetooth app for coronavirus contacts tracing, was also the first to run into technical hitches related to platform limits on background access — likely contributing to low download rates for the app (reportedly below 20%).

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Can we please refrain from discussing thread moderation and just stick to the actual discussion.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Russ

Bluddy opressive regime I tell you!!

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Really? Fascinating, what else do you know about the company I work for?

Well, it's obviously really, Russ. Your company pays you to do the job it needs to be done. You don't have to accept that. You could look at alternative employment.

Just sayin'...

[Russ]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Well, it's obviously really, Russ. Your company pays you to do the job it needs to be done. You don't have to accept that. You could look at alternative employment.

Just sayin'...

Yep just saying a load of rubbish really. They do pay me to do a job and guess what...I do it whether at home or in the office. Still not sure what your point is, or if you actually have one?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I think you will find it's whether the company wants it, not whether you want it.

Do you want the work or don't you? Sorry, but that's what it comes down to.

God bless unrestricted and uncontrolled capitalism.

As Russ says you don't know his role or his organisation and often it is much more complicated than that. Employers are still responsible for the health and safety of their staff - even at home.

Any industry with union involvement is going to be in for an interesting few months if employers take your approach.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Well, it's obviously really, Russ. Your company pays you to do the job it needs to be done. You don't have to accept that. You could look at alternative employment.

Just sayin'...

You do realise the employment contract is a two-way thing, don’t you? Both sides have rights and responsibilities, and a good working relationship is based on a balanced approach.

People are employed, not indentured - good companies get the best from their colleagues by discussing and agreeing what’s best for both parties, not just "do as you’re told!"

Have you ever run any companies/large departments?