Coronavirus (OLD)

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Of course there will be a smaller number if kids that attend these venues, however the numbers of children actually in contact with each would be around the same as a normal class size ( anywhere between 15-30) and many many smaller but numerous < 15 operating all over.

It’s as much a risk as a school and vice versa.

Not a high school, two in my town have over a thousand pupils all changing classrooms every hour, intervals, lunchtimes, buses to and from.

so would a school? The pupils are all known, easily traced and isolated?

As above.

my point was about specific skills, what if known are available? what if, as discussed, there is non-available as it is closed but they’ve been told they can operate, and therefore will no longer be able to claim government assistance.....just go out of business then?

What would they do if said person got hit by a bus tomorrow? It doesn't sound like good business continuity planning for one person to be mission critical.

Wow, at last.........an admission from you that government cannot do all or be responsible for all.

You’re on the right path now, keep walking.

You've completely misunderstood my point, potentially wilfully for the purposes of being obtuse.

The Government can take responsibility for the people, businesses and underlying economy. It cannot simply create a set of rules for everyone, in every set of circumstances, to carry on working safely as if there's no global pandemic on the go.

I have no need to keep walking anywhere. My point has been entirely consistent throughout.

I fail to see why you are spending your time asking me to provide solutions for things I don't think should be happening in the short term in any case. The "open the economy" side must really be scraping the bottom of the barrell if I've to provide the informed arguments for and against.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

Not a high school, two in my town have over a thousand pupils all changing classrooms every hour, intervals, lunchtimes, buses to and from

I was not referring to high schools, kids from high school age are less likely to be involved in holiday clubs or child care because they can take care of themselves.

What would they do if said person got hit by a bus tomorrow? It doesn't sound like good business continuity planning for one person to be mission critical.

I’m sure everyone plans for that situation, and ensures they have clean underwear too.

You've completely misunderstood my point, potentially wilfully for the purposes of being obtuse.

not at all, I thought younhsd been enlightened.

The Government can take responsibility for the people, businesses and underlying economy.

Marxism in 12 words.....well done.

It cannot simply create a set of rules for everyone

Of course it can. I though you were a socialist! I’m really heartened to see this change in you.

FFS, again, thats enough from both of you.

[1andrew1]

Some thoughts here on how the country may operate post-lockdown.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...eased-11979256

[jfman]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Some thoughts here on how the country may operate post-lockdown.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...eased-11979256

All perfectly sensible. Presumably about to be described as Marxist, hysterical, extreme or unnecessary by certain elements of the forum.

I await with baited breath the condemnation of the Government from those who usually defend it...

[denphone]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Some thoughts here on how the country may operate post-lockdown.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...eased-11979256

As Professor Chris Whitty warned yesterday there is still a very long way to go in this coronavirus crisis and sadly he expects many more lives to be lost yet.

The old normal is a very distant dream now and has disappeared way over the horizon to be replaced by the new normal which the vast majority of us are getting used to apart from a few selfish idiots.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Russ

Just watched Panorama. The Tories have blood on their hands.

I agree. It is good that this is being aired to the whole country. The report is pretty damning.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by ianch99

I agree. It is good that this is being aired to the whole country. The report is pretty damning.

We have one of the worst death rates in the World, the real number is likely to be closer to 40,000, given they are only giving hospital deaths. We were given plenty of warning but were too slow to react. The PPE shambles and running down of the NHS over the last 10 years has hit us hard. Getting the virus doesn't make Boris a martyr, or mean he isn't incompetent. . It will take decades for this country to recover, other countries will recover quicker. The fallout from this will end many political careers.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mr K

We have one of the worst death rates in the World, the real number is likely to be closer to 40,000, given they are only giving hospital deaths. We were given plenty of warning but were too slow to react. The PPE shambles and running down of the NHS over the last 10 years has hit us hard. Getting the virus doesn't make Boris a martyr, or mean he isn't incompetent. . It will take decades for this country to recover, other countries will recover quicker. The fallout from this will end many political careers.

Yes indeed people will remember the infighting and backstabbing within the Labour party while the Tory's took charge and protected the country.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by ianch99

I agree. It is good that this is being aired to the whole country. The report is pretty damning.

As was The Sunday Times dossier and that is a moderate Conservative newspaper which would not go too far out of its way to criticise the government too much.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Yes indeed people will remember the infighting and backstabbing within the Labour party while the Tory's took charge and protected the country.

Best laugh I’ve had in lockdown.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Yes indeed people will remember the infighting and backstabbing within the Labour party while the Tory's took charge and protected the country.

Don't know which parallel world you've been in Smurf... Unfortunately the job losses, tax rises, house price crash will wake a few up.

Some good will come though, house prices coming down is long overdue. Nationalisation is back. Public services being valued. People are being nicer to each other, a sense of community is back, we certainly are all in this together now. It's not Tory territory.

Originally Posted by jfman

Best laugh I’ve had in lockdown.

Really? You should get Netflix. Look up Tiger King, it’s a hoot.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Don't know which parallel world you've been in Smurf... Unfortunately the job losses, tax rises, house price crash will wake a few up.

Some good will come though, house prices coming down is long overdue. Nationalisation is back. Public services being valued. People are being nicer to each other, a sense of community is back, we certainly are all in this together now. It's not Tory territory.

It might not be natural Tory territory but Comrade Sunak is doing a grand job.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by jfman

It might not be natural Tory territory but Comrade Sunak is doing a grand job.

Yeah the lad's got potential