Coronavirus (OLD)

Originally Posted by Russ

Where did you get 413 from?

That’s yesterday’s figure - today’s was 350 for England, Wales, and Scotland.

[Russ]

Ok that was a bit confusing.

[jfman]

A lot of media rounds are quoting it, certainly twitter made it read like today’s from a number of sources. That said that’s what I get for going on twitter.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by jfman

A lot of media rounds are quoting it, certainly twitter made it read like today’s from a number of sources. That said that’s what I get for going on twitter.

In fairness the .gov website still shows yesterdays figures.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[jonbxx]

Oops, my mistake for not reading properly!

From the BBC site just now

The latest weekly figures from the Office for National Statistics showed that 18,516 people had died from all causes in the UK in the week to 10 April

That figure was 7,996 more than the average for the time of year, but [only] 6,213 of those people had coronavirus mentioned on their death certificates.

That means 1,783 extra people died who were not suspected of having coronavirus.
We are not sure what they died of, but the health secretary is keen to avoid extra deaths due to people being reluctant to go to A&E if they need to.

Also worth repeating, the 6,213 did not all necessarily die because of the virus, they simply tested positive for it.
All such cases are counted, regardless of the actual cause of death.

[Russ]

The £60,000 award to families of healthcare workers who died is a nice touch. Obviously nothing will compensate but I have to say I’m pleasantly surprised at the Tories for announcing that with no prompting.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

and the Government can support the economy just as every other Government in the world (and the EU)

not indefinitely.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

not indefinitely.

Indeed, however nobody is claiming that will be necessary. An effective lockdown to get the numbers down, followed by an appropriately scaled testing programme, working at home for anyone who can, screening at airports and social distancing could see sections of the economy opening up in a few weeks to a few months at most allowing Government to target support at those areas that cannot open up.

This only gets dragged out longer if we make a hash of it, encounter a deadly second wave, the NHS collapses under pressure and we end up back at square one - something that genuinely would have devastating economic consequences because relatively speaking other countries would not be in the same position at the same time allowing them to get competitive advantage in international markets while we have to shut everything down.

[Hom3r]

Well I've been sent April's payslip.

Well with 1 week self isolating and 2 days awake (SSP) by my mums hospital bed, followed by 4 week furloughed by April wage is down by 50%.

Luckily I can ride this storm until July 1st when I should be back at work.

I can go longer but savings will suffer.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

Indeed, however nobody is claiming that will be necessary. An effective lockdown to get the numbers down, followed by an appropriately scaled testing programme, working at home for anyone who can, screening at airports and social distancing could see sections of the economy opening up in a few weeks to a few months at most allowing Government to target support at those areas that cannot open up.

So pretty much just continue as we are then. Big thing omitted from that though is schools.

Until schools and Nursery/child care is lifted, many people wont be able to go back to work and this will be a major issue. .

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

So pretty much just continue as we are then. Big thing omitted from that though is schools.

Until schools and Nursery/child care is lifted, many people wont be able to go back to work and this will be a major issue. .

Good point but I know plenty of couples sharing childcare responsibilities who are working different hours to accommodate childcare and employers are now receptive to these situations who hadn't been in the past.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

So pretty much just continue as we are then. Big thing omitted from that though is schools.

Until schools and Nursery/child care is lifted, many people wont be able to go back to work and this will be a major issue. .

We are approaching the school holidays in any case. So reopening schools is an unnecessary risk when we get a free couple of months on the end when we get there. Child care will likely be allowed in some circumstances during the summer holidays.

If people can't return to work that will help employers enforce social distancing so it is swings and roundabouts really.

There will also be a lot of work done to establish what safety measures are required in terms of PPE for businesses and to ensure supplies can be manufactured to allow more people to work to return safely.

[Russ]

Just watched Panorama. The Tories have blood on their hands.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

We are approaching the school holidays in any case. So reopening schools is an unnecessary risk when we get a free couple of months on the end when we get there.

If the schools aren’t opened on June 1st, then they won’t open again until September. But when not in school my kids go to holiday club, as do a lot of kids.

Child care will likely be allowed in some circumstances during the summer holidays.

maybe/maybe not.

Just interested in what you perceive the difference in risk between schools and child care? You obviously see a difference.

If people can't return to work that will help employers enforce social distancing so it is swings and roundabouts really.

Not really, if businesses need to start back up and have key people they need, that can’t come to work - what do they do?

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Originally Posted by Russ

Just watched Panorama. The Tories have blood on their hands.

Good old fair and balanced Panorama, you off to sharpen your pitchfork.