Coronavirus (OLD)

[tweetiepooh]

Saw in passing something about research in France indicating smokers recover better or suffer less than non-smokers. This looks linked to nicotine so was some suggestions giving healthcare workers patches. It certainly didn't endorse smoking.

My initial thought was that smokers have so knackered their throats etc the virus couldn't bind :P.

Sorry no reference, this was on new app on phone early in morning as just scanning through.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

Saw in passing something about research in France indicating smokers recover better or suffer less than non-smokers. This looks linked to nicotine so was some suggestions giving healthcare workers patches. It certainly didn't endorse smoking.

My initial thought was that smokers have so knackered their throats etc the virus couldn't bind :P.

Sorry no reference, this was on new app on phone early in morning as just scanning through.

https://www.france24.com/en/20200423...-coronavirus-1

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

Saw in passing something about research in France indicating smokers recover better or suffer less than non-smokers. This looks linked to nicotine so was some suggestions giving healthcare workers patches. It certainly didn't endorse smoking.

My initial thought was that smokers have so knackered their throats etc the virus couldn't bind :P.

Sorry no reference, this was on new app on phone early in morning as just scanning through.

I've seen that smokers are considered less likely to get it but more likely to have more serious systems if they do. The latter making sense as the worst your lungs, the harder you're gonna have it.

[Taf]

A thing that is odd about France, is their advice for social distancing is to stay just ONE metre from anyone.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Taf

A thing that is odd about France, is their advice for social distancing is to stay just ONE metre from anyone.

... well yes. Otherwise they couldn't smell the garlic!

[jfman]

In my seven day sabbatical I found some interesting analysis from a Professor at the University of Edinburgh.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...nd-coronavirus

Countries that intervened early such as New Zealand, where Jacinda Ardern insisted defeating the virus relied upon 'going hard and going early', could come out of this economically better off whereas the herd immunity/it'll happen anyway countries could find themselves undergoing years of turmoil as they are unable to recover the trace, track, isolate mechanism of breaking transmission chains.

Somewhat ironic really if steps to 'protect' the economy, against internationally recognised protocols on dealing with pandemics, made the situation worse.

[Hom3r]

If people need to be told not to inject disinfectant, I'm sorry but the gene pool doesn't need you.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

In my seven day sabbatical I found some interesting analysis from a Professor at the University of Edinburgh.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...nd-coronavirus

Countries that intervened early such as New Zealand, where Jacinda Ardern insisted defeating the virus relied upon 'going hard and going early', could come out of this economically better off whereas the herd immunity/it'll happen anyway countries could find themselves undergoing years of turmoil as they are unable to recover the trace, track, isolate mechanism of breaking transmission chains.

Somewhat ironic really if steps to 'protect' the economy, against internationally recognised protocols on dealing with pandemics, made the situation worse.

I would point out that NZ is relatively sparsely populated.

Having said that, I await the second wave. Have you looked at Japan?

As I have said consistently, you can delay, but you cannot prevent.

You can quote me on that.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I would point out that NZ is relatively sparsely populated.

Having said that, I await the second wave. Have you looked at Japan?

As I have said consistently, you can delay, but you cannot prevent.

You can quote me on that.

The good news is we are neither trying to effectively delay nor prevent, so you can always use the UK up as an example that will prove your point of a second wave being worse than the first.

I'm not sure what I'm quoting you on, that failing to adhere to internationally recognised best practice doesn't get desirable outcomes? I'm sure we are in agreement on that.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

The good news is we are neither trying to effectively delay nor prevent, so you can always use the UK up as an example that will prove your point of a second wave being worse than the first.

I'm not sure what I'm quoting you on, that failing to adhere to internationally recognised best practice doesn't get desirable outcomes? I'm sure we are in agreement on that.

You may find the attached article interesting. Your support of panic reaction is not one that was originally advocated.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ic-lost-nerve/

In particular:

The point about the national pandemic plan is that it is specifically required to be proportionate to the risk, though it does err on the side of a “reasonable worst-case scenario”. This means that there can be over-responses, as there was to the swine flu in 2009 which turned out not to be as bad as feared.

For coronavirus, the Government was following this framework almost to the letter while preparing the country for what would be a difficult period. But that all changed on Mother’s Day when pictures of people out and about led to a clamour for a lockdown that was never planned for. Prof Heneghan says the Government lost its nerve. Concerned that it would be seen to be putting the economy ahead of the NHS, it is now inflicting worse damage on the country than the virus itself.

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Originally Posted by Russ

People trust Boris?

Well, yes, they do! Don't get taken in by Labour propoganda. It's amazing that they should accuse Boris when they have such mega-fibbers in their own party!

Give us a break!

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Someone must have set Trump up! He'll be hopping mad now!

I'm interested in your view after this?

https://twitter.com/kenolin1/status/1253746729515704322

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

You may find the attached article interesting. Your support of panic reaction is not one that was originally advocated.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ic-lost-nerve/

In particular:

[I]The point about the national pandemic plan is that it is specifically required to be proportionate to the risk, though it does err on the side of a “reasonable worst-case scenario”. This means that there can be over-responses, as there was to the swine flu in 2009 which turned out not to be as bad as feared.

For coronavirus, the Government was following this framework almost to the letter while preparing the country for what would be a difficult period. But that all changed on Mother’s Day when pictures of people out and about led to a clamour for a lockdown that was never planned for. Prof Heneghan says the Government lost its nerve. Concerned that it would be seen to be putting the economy ahead of the NHS, it is now inflicting worse damage on the country than the virus itself.

Ah, an opinion piece, in the Telegraph, I feel much more educated now, Old Boy.

The Government never had any nerve, which is why it’s didn’t take the necessary decisions early enough or hard enough. The economy will lose more in the long term as we face years of social distancing and restrictions.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by jfman

Ah, an opinion piece, in the Telegraph, I feel much more educated now, Old Boy.

The Government never had any nerve, which is why it’s didn’t take the necessary decisions early enough or hard enough. The economy will lose more in the long term as we face years of social distancing and restrictions.

Yeh, OK, I realise the records still stuck. Wake me up when you've something new to add.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Yeh, OK, I realise the records still stuck. Wake me up when you've something new to add.

There's no need to quote me if you have no meaningful response. I get that you don't appreciate criticism of the Government, however if the evidence demonstrates that the current response fails us both in terms of health and economics do not find yourself surprised to read me continue to make those points.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by pip08456

I'm interested in your view after this?

https://twitter.com/kenolin1/status/1253746729515704322

Nah. No view, Pip other than the man's a total arse.