Coronavirus (OLD)

[denphone]

Originally Posted by pip08456

I think all of us echo what Chris has said.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

It's the government position, Hugh. I thought you were good at Googling.

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Oh, it's news to me that you can have a test and you can avoid coronavirus! Has anyone told the virus that or is this just your command?

I'm sorry, mate, but we cannot avoid this as there is no way available yet that can stop the virus from spreading. Despite every effort of the care homes, the virus is still getting in and the death toll is dreadful.

As far as the economy is concerned, we cannot sustain the lockdown measures for long. Fortunately, we don't have an unsustainable deficit anymore, and interest rates are at their lowest in living memory. However, there is a limit to how much debt is manageable, and we cannot let too many businesses collapse - that would be truly disastrous.

Other EU countries are already starting to relax the lockdown, and I dare say we will learn a lot from that.z

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It's the medical evidence that the government has used to drive the policy.

Part of your statement is the Government policy (the delaying part, trying to avoid the rapid spread of the virus and avoid overloading the NHS) - can’t see anything in the Government policy that states, as you did

We will not avoid deaths by the measures being taken

The latest comments from Neil Ferguson, the Government’s advisor, show deaths being avoided, not delayed (which is good news).

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/n...tist-rn5m6nggk

Neil Ferguson, the Imperial College London scientist whose research precipitated tougher government measures last week, told MPs: “It [the deaths of those who would have died anyway] might be as much as half or two thirds of the deaths we see, because these are people at the end of their lives or who have underlying conditions.”

Half to two/thirds is 6.5k to 10k people not dying.

However, happy to be shown otherwise if you can provide links to the Government policy that states the deaths are not being avoided, only delayed.

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Originally Posted by Hom3r

I just found out that mum will never walk again as the coronavirus attacked her nervous system.

She had it before I took her in, but she had no symptons. I live at home and don't know it I've had it either?

Tomorrow she moves to a nursing home, this is possibly a pemanent placing.

The home is 30 minutes away.

We may be able to visit and take clothing for her. This should help her start to eat as she is very low at not seeing any one.

Really sorry to hear this, Homer

[Sephiroth]

Unless I've misunderstood Guvmin strategy, OB is sort of right. But then so is Hugh! I think that they're just sparring.

Current official phase is to attenuate spread of the virus among the population so that the NHS can cope.

The Guvmin hasn't explained the next phase yet, but ultimately unless we are to stay at home until the last person with Coronavirus has died and there is no more disease, herd immunity is the only way to kill the disease. Hence the deaths have been postponed and not avoided in the longer term.

Into that mix, the Guvmin needs to take into account reinfection rates and the degree of actual immunity within people who have recovered.

[Hom3r]

Originally Posted by Damien

Sorry Homer.

How long ago did you take her in?

I took her in on the 18th of April 1:20am

Originally Posted by Chris

This is dreadful news, I’m very sorry to hear it.

You’re going to have a difficult few months but you can both come through it. And she doesn’t have to stay in a home half an hour away forever. Your local authority should provide you a list of approved homes that charge local authority rate. You will be able to find one that suits her and is a little closer to you.

Take your time, make use of your local CAB for advice and assistance and don’t let the authorities push you around.

Luckily my sister knows friendinvolved with care homes.


It does help she works at a solicitors, an will email them from her work email (she's working from home), or print out contact deails on work headed paper.

[jonbxx]

It looks like the big boys, namely Glaxo Smithkline and Sanofi Pasteur are getting together to work on a vaccine - https://www.sanofi.com/en/media-room...04-14-13-00-00

These guys know their stuff and critically have the manufacturing scale at their plants in Belgium and France to get things done

[tweetiepooh]

Then add how long a general population will tolerate lock down especially in the less good winter months (it's one thing when it's nice outside and many people can access gardens, parks, open spaces) than when it's cold, damp and grey.

How long can you keep mass transit shut? Try distancing on crowded tube trains, buses and so on.

Universities, young people on own in halls and social distancing - yeah right. Schools can't stay shut forever, not all subjects can be taught and done at home. And kids need to interact - so do we for that matter.

You can't stop all non-COVID treatment forever either. And visits to friends and relatives in hospital can help recovery so that will need to start.

You can go on but the cost of maintaining "isolation" would far outweigh that from the virus directly even in terms of lives. There needs to be hope else things just disintegrate. People need to know that things will return to "normal", they can work, love, play, meet, enjoy life, build, move. To live not just exist.

[Sephiroth]

... hence the ultimate move to herd immunity.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

Then add how long a general population will tolerate lock down especially in the less good winter months (it's one thing when it's nice outside and many people can access gardens, parks, open spaces) than when it's cold, damp and grey.

How long can you keep mass transit shut? Try distancing on crowded tube trains, buses and so on.

Universities, young people on own in halls and social distancing - yeah right. Schools can't stay shut forever, not all subjects can be taught and done at home. And kids need to interact - so do we for that matter.

You can't stop all non-COVID treatment forever either. And visits to friends and relatives in hospital can help recovery so that will need to start.

You can go on but the cost of maintaining "isolation" would far outweigh that from the virus directly even in terms of lives. There needs to be hope else things just disintegrate. People need to know that things will return to "normal", they can work, love, play, meet, enjoy life, build, move. To live not just exist.

It’s literally been three weeks.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

... hence the ultimate move to herd immunity.

The herd immunity that we don’t know will work ?

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Originally Posted by jfman

It’s literally been three weeks.

Quite, we’re being asked to work from home where possible, only go out if it pertains to the government’s instructions & finally to maintain social distancing when we do go out. In the grand scheme of things it’s not a lot to be asked compared to those who are providing essential services to the country.

People need to stop whinging and do as they’re asked

[tweetiepooh]

And what happens if we get COVID-20/21/22/23/30? Are they going to be like the cold so keep returning and reinfecting?

[denphone]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Quite, we’re being asked to work from home where possible, only go out if it pertains to the government’s instructions & finally to maintain social distancing when we do go out. In the grand scheme of things it’s not a lot to be asked compared to those who are providing essential services to the country.

People need to stop whinging and do as they’re asked

Compared to the great sacrifices made by those in the past surely that is not too much to ask of people...

[peanut]

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

And what happens if we get COVID-20/21/22/23/30? Are they going to be like the cold so keep returning and reinfecting?

Then it's probably Gods way to say we've effed up... And the way to thin the herd.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

And what happens if we get COVID-20/21/22/23/30? Are they going to be like the cold so keep returning and reinfecting?

We’ve already had SARS 1 & MERS

What’s your solution? Allow the virus to sweep across the globe killing millions, overwhelming healthcare services, crippling economies perhaps worse than lockdown ?

[tweetiepooh]

Yes - just 3 weeks with nice weather.

If you read accounts from other countries at the start it's all pretty OK. People cope OK, regard the novelty of it as part of the "game". It's after a while and it still continues that it drags and becomes harder.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

Yes - just 3 weeks with nice weather.

If you read accounts from other countries at the start it's all pretty OK. People cope OK, regard the novelty of it as part of the "game". It's after a while and it still continues that it drags and becomes harder.

Would you prefer it to be 'hard' or would you prefer to take your chances against a virus that little is known about, is highly contagious & no vaccine available currently?