Sir Keir’s Kerfuffle

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I’m sure he weighed up all the options and decided those on lower incomes weren’t worth it.

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I didn’t make any such claim, got anything else

Glad you accept the media can, and do, influence public opinion. It’s not often we agree but I’m more than happy to on this one.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

And what kind of reform would you support, jfman? Do tell!

Given the railways are presently effectively nationalised I see no reason for the state to continue to subsidise the dividends of TOCs who don’t create perfect competition, as understood in an economic sense of course.

[ianch99]

It is comforting to see the baseless sniping at the new Labour leader. It means the Tories are worried ..

[Julian]

Originally Posted by ianch99

It is comforting to see the baseless sniping at the new Labour leader. It means the Tories are worried ..

Baseless sniping

** WARNING *** WARNING *** WARNING ***

Facts have been deployed,

Step away from the keyboard, NOW

Feel free to disprove any information previously posted.

And you don't need to be a Tory to point out the failings of the cretin mr starmer.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by ianch99

It is comforting to see the baseless sniping at the new Labour leader. It means the Tories are worried ..

Well yes, demonstrated by the above post !

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by ianch99

It is comforting to see the baseless sniping at the new Labour leader. It means the Tories are worried ..

It means they are laughing at labour supporters, but if they knuckle down they could be back in as little as 10 years with the right leader.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

It means they are laughing at labour supporters, but if they knuckle down they could be back in as little as 10 years with the right leader.

So hard to predict anything at the moment and a good oppostion leader will be an asset to the government and country. The idea of a replacement foreign secretary whilst Dominic Raab runs the country during this crisis is sensible.

Originally Posted by Julian

Baseless sniping



Feel free to disprove any information previously posted.

And you don't need to be a Tory to point out the failings of the cretin mr starmer.

Tht's not how it works - if someone posts a statement (such as "who has no doubt avoided paying his fair share of taxes"), it's up to them to provide proof it's true.

Otherwise, people could just post that Boris is sleeping with Michael Gove and Ian Duncan Smith, and when challenged, say "prove it isn't true".

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

So hard to predict anything at the moment and a good oppostion leader will be an asset to the government and country. The idea of a replacement foreign secretary whilst Dominic Raab runs the country during this crisis is sensible.

Yes a good one would be an asset but she never got the job.

[ianch99]

With our two party system of democracy, it is essential we have a robust opposition to hold the governing party to account.

Corbyn could never do this. Early days but so far, Starmer is demonstrably a more capable and able politician.

There will be a reckoning after all this plays out and the nation as a whole will remember those who literally put their lives on the line for their fellow citizens and those who did nothing. Specially, those with so much wealth to help those in need:

Coronavirus profiteering: Anger grows as hedge fund makes STAGGERING 4,144 percent return

Rees-Mogg firm's plan to profit from coronavirus called 'grotesque'

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Tht's not how it works - if someone posts a statement (such as "who has no doubt avoided paying his fair share of taxes"), it's up to them to provide proof it's true.

Otherwise, people could just post that Boris is sleeping with Michael Gove and Ian Duncan Smith, and when challenged, say "prove it isn't true".

In fairness to Julian the right wing gutter press have got away with it for years.

[Julian]

Originally Posted by ianch99

With our two party system of democracy, it is essential we have a robust opposition to hold the governing party to account.

Corbyn could never do this. Early days but so far, Starmer is demonstrably a more capable and able politician.

There will be a reckoning after all this plays out and the nation as a whole will remember those who literally put their lives on the line for their fellow citizens and those who did nothing. Specially, those with so much wealth to help those in need:

Coronavirus profiteering: Anger grows as hedge fund makes STAGGERING 4,144 percent return

Rees-Mogg firm's plan to profit from coronavirus called 'grotesque'

I thought baseless sniping was not on, despite repatedly doing it before the election.

You seem to have come back from your post election sulkathon in a somewhat hypocritical mode.....

What's going to be interesting is what politics looks like after this crisis. The economy is going to be very badly hit, on a scale that we've never seen before in our lifetimes. How people feel generally will be interesting as well, this might do a number on a lot of people and change them.

One thing's for sure if NHS wasn't already the national religion it will be now. It'll be untouchable with big political cost for not giving the staff pay rises, not increasing the budget beyond what was already planned by the current government and those new hospitals will have to be built (one should be called Nightingale too in tribute to this crisis).

Personally I also think any NHS/Key worker who worked though this crisis and is on a visa should be granted indefinite leave to remain if they want it and citizenship if they want that too.

[gba93]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Yes a good one would be an asset but she never got the job.

Aye, Jess Phillips would have shaken things up!!

Originally Posted by gba93

Aye, Jess Phillips would have shaken things up!!

PMQs would have been far more entertaining, that's for sure.

Originally Posted by ianch99

There will be a reckoning after all this plays out and the nation as a whole will remember those who literally put their lives on the line for their fellow citizens and those who did nothing. Specially, those with so much wealth to help those in need:

Coronavirus profiteering: Anger grows as hedge fund makes STAGGERING 4,144 percent return

Rees-Mogg firm's plan to profit from coronavirus called 'grotesque'

So to actually quote the first one, the (single) hedge fund made its profit betting on a stock market collapse.

Lucky for them, the bet worked out, Still, I'm sure everyone would have been equally 'angered' if they had lost the bet


... and wait, another firm plans to make a profit ? Wow !
Newsflash for you - all firms plan to make a profit, and plenty are.

Oh, and of course ;

Rees-Mogg stepped back from his role at the firm when he became leader of the House of Commons in July 2019

Did you miss that bit ? or did it just not suit your rant.