Sir Keir’s Kerfuffle

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

So we have the left supporters defending a self made millionaire, who has no doubt avoided paying his fair share of taxes. Had he been a Tory those same members would be queuing up to condemn him as a bourgeois capitalist.

Hypocrisy

”left supporters"?

Ah, you know me so well...

(btw, he, like Corbyn, is a "millionaire" mainly because of his London home appreciating in value since he bought it, and his pensions value - by that metric, I’m a millionaire- you couldn’t tell, though... ).

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

If there's a group who can spin it the Great British media will find a way to nail Starmer this way ignoring the reality.

Yeah, nasty media. Jezza would have walked it if it wasn’t for them.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

More nonsense as a little Googling will tell you he's in favour of the rich paying more tax.
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He also voted against the lowest paid paying less tax.

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/25...ns?policy=6690

Originally Posted by Pierre

Yeah, nasty media. Jezza would have walked it if it wasn’t for them.

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He also voted against the lowest paid paying less tax.

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/25...ns?policy=6690

You appear to have accidentally left out another part of that Bill - the bit that raised the income thresholds for being charged income tax at the higher rate.

And of course, the Higher Threshold for Low Income workers was just one small part of a huge & complex Bill - but I’m sure you knew that he wasn’t just voting on that one small part of the Bill.

https://assets.publishing.service.go...tory_Notes.pdf

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Yeah, nasty media. Jezza would have walked it if it wasn’t for them.

If you are going to make the claim that billionaire owners of media are altruistic and don’t seek to influence voters, or that people aren’t influenced by the media I’d love to hear it.

There’s a $1.2trn advertising industry to challenge the second point.

Originally Posted by jfman

If you are going to make the claim that billionaire owners of media are altruistic and don’t seek to influence voters, or that people aren’t influenced by the media I’d love to hear it.

There’s a $1.2trn advertising industry to challenge the second point.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

You appear to have accidentally left out another part of that Bill - the bit that raised the income thresholds for being charged income tax at the higher rate.

And of course, the Higher Threshold for Low Income workers was just one small part of a huge & complex Bill - but I’m sure you knew that he wasn’t just voting on that one small part of the Bill.

https://assets.publishing.service.go...tory_Notes.pdf

I’m sure he weighed up all the options and decided those on lower incomes weren’t worth it.

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Originally Posted by jfman

If you are going to make the claim that billionaire owners of media are altruistic and don’t seek to influence voters, or that people aren’t influenced by the media I’d love to hear it.

There’s a $1.2trn advertising industry to challenge the second point.

I didn’t make any such claim, got anything else

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Damien

Boris Johnson is a millionaire who went to Eton and Oxford. Workers went for him. I don't think voters care too much about someone's background in that sense.

No, they don't, and people that think that are denying themselves the best thinkers for their cause

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I’m sure he weighed up all the options and decided those on lower incomes weren’t worth it.

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I didn’t make any such claim, got anything else

I'd quit while you're behind mate.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Hardest thing for any opposition leader is offering an alternative to the current Government's policies.

Why is that? It's the easiest thing in the world to criticise the people who are actually trying to run things.

Corbyn didn't succeed because nobody with any common sense could believe in him.

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Originally Posted by jfman

I'll support anyone who backs a socialist platform and has paid their taxes. A billionaire supporting a socialist agenda isn't a bad person because they've done well with the cards they've been dealt. If they support reform I'd support them.

Curiously, can you back up your allegation here?

I'd be at the front of the queue to condemn him if so.

https://www.theguardian.com/business...s-keir-starmer

And what kind of reform would you support, jfman? Do tell!

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Originally Posted by Hugh

”left supporters"?

Ah, you know me so well...

(btw, he, like Corbyn, is a "millionaire" mainly because of his London home appreciating in value since he bought it, and his pensions value - by that metric, I’m a millionaire- you couldn’t tell, though... ).

So why are you left leaning then? Just askin'....

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Originally Posted by Hugh

You appear to have accidentally left out another part of that Bill - the bit that raised the income thresholds for being charged income tax at the higher rate.

And of course, the Higher Threshold for Low Income workers was just one small part of a huge & complex Bill - but I’m sure you knew that he wasn’t just voting on that one small part of the Bill.

https://assets.publishing.service.go...tory_Notes.pdf

So policies of envy denied the poor a tax reduction. Yes, sounds like Labour.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Why is that? It's the easiest thing in the world to criticise the people who are actually trying to run things.

Well its quite clear the largly obsequious media won't...

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

So why are you left leaning then? Just askin'.....

Whether he is or not is totally irrelevant as is this forum not about members who have differing opinions last time l looked..

[Arthurgray50@blu]

I think the first join Starmer should do. Is have a go at the fact that hospitals, and care do not have the property equipment to deal with the present crisis.

Watching a tv prog this evening, and saw care homes struggling to cope. It was sad

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Why is that? It's the easiest thing in the world to criticise the people who are actually trying to run things.

Corbyn didn't succeed because nobody with any common sense could believe in him.

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And what kind of reform would you support, jfman? Do tell!

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So why are you left leaning then? Just askin'....

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So policies of envy denied the poor a tax reduction. Yes, sounds like Labour.

I’m to the left of you - that isn’t "left-leaning"; nice try shifting the Overton Window, though...

I was an Officer and Candidate in the Conservative Party for over 20 years, holding positions such as Vice-Chair of National Young Conservative sub-Committees, Vice-Chair of Area (couple of Counties) Young Conservatives, Vice Chair of Constituency Conservatives, Chair of Constituency Young Conservatives, Local Council Candidate for the Conservative Party four times, on the Conservative Candidates List (short listed twice), researcher for a Cabinet Minister’s PPS, and helped out in tens of Election and by-election campaigns.

"Left leaning"...<snigger>

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mr K

I'd quit while you're behind mate.

I’ll let it ride, I don’t see much competition.

.. and thats enough of the sniping at each other.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Hardest thing for any opposition leader is offering an alternative to the current Government's policies.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Why is that? It's the easiest thing in the world to criticise the people who are actually trying to run things.

Because criticising a Government's policies does not amount to offering a policy alternative.