Sir Keir’s Kerfuffle

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by denphone

When this grave national crisis is eventually over, and politics once again returns to the fore the Conservatives are going to find that the 5 years when there was no opposition at all apart from Trotsky Corbyn and his comrades and where there was no alternative to the governing party will have come to an abrupt end.

Why's that, are the Lib dems planning something?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Why's that, are the Lib dems planning something?

Who?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Who?

You're probably too young to remember them

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

You're probably too young to remember them

What - old knobbly knees? (The other Jeremy).

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by denphone

When this grave national crisis is eventually over, and politics once again returns to the fore the Conservatives are going to find that the 5 years when there was no opposition at all apart from Trotsky Corbyn and his comrades and where there was no alternative to the governing party will have come to an abrupt end.

I'd like to see Sir Kier's credible alternatives before I comment on that! Frankly, he's got an uphill struggle. Once Boris is back on his feet and this emergency is over, people will be surprised at what can be achieved, and his popularity will be difficult for Sir Kier to overcome.

It was very easy to reduce Jeremy Corbyn’s credibility to rubble, because Jeremy Corbyn has spent his entire career doing that himself, attaching himself to every self-loathing cause he could find.

It’s true that Starmer does not have that same deep level of unelectability, however what is that observation actually worth? His policy platform hasn’t significantly changed from Corbyn’s, and thanks to Corbyn he has a massive electoral deficit to claw back in parliamentary constituencies that should have been safe. The sort of reverse he needs to pull off at the next election is unheard of in modern history.

And “Well at least I’m not Jeremy” isn’t very inspiring is it?

[heero_yuy]

Being a titled millionaire doesn't sit well with the workers either.

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Being a titled millionaire doesn't sit well with the workers either.

Boris Johnson is a millionaire who went to Eton and Oxford. Workers went for him. I don't think voters care too much about someone's background in that sense.

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Being a titled millionaire doesn't sit well with the workers either.

Yes, the working class don’t like anyone who has worked their way up from nothing to being successful, they much prefer people who had an entitled upbringing...

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Being a titled millionaire doesn't sit well with the workers either.

Difference being Boris inherited his wealth, Sir Keir earnt his, coming from a humble background (mother a nurse, father a toolmaker). He might well appeal to a few Tories

[jfman]

If there's a group who can spin it the Great British media will find a way to nail Starmer this way ignoring the reality.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by jfman

If there's a group who can spin it the Great British media will find a way to nail Starmer this way ignoring the reality.

Well they'll try as they do with all Labour leaders, but Sir Keir won't be as easy a target. Plus British newspapers are dying with less readers all the time. 5 years of massive debt, inevitable increased taxes compounded by the Brexit fallout will be bigger factors.

[heero_yuy]

So we have the left supporters defending a self made millionaire, who has no doubt avoided paying his fair share of taxes. Had he been a Tory those same members would be queuing up to condemn him as a bourgeois capitalist.

Hypocrisy

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

So we have the left supporters defending a self made millionaire, who has no doubt avoided paying his fair share of taxes. Had he been a Tory those same members would be queuing up to condemn him as a bourgeois capitalist.

Hypocrisy

More nonsense as a little Googling will tell you he's in favour of the rich paying more tax.

Sir Keir Starmer backs a tax increase for rich and closing corporate tax loopholes

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/ke...amazon-1382706

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Well they'll try as they do with all Labour leaders, but Sir Keir won't be as easy a target. Plus British newspapers are dying with less readers all the time. 5 years of massive debt, inevitable increased taxes compounded by the Brexit fallout will be bigger factors.

Hardest thing for any opposition leader is offering an alternative to the current Government's policies.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

So we have the left supporters defending a self made millionaire, who has no doubt avoided paying his fair share of taxes. Had he been a Tory those same members would be queuing up to condemn him as a bourgeois capitalist.

Hypocrisy

I'll support anyone who backs a socialist platform and has paid their taxes. A billionaire supporting a socialist agenda isn't a bad person because they've done well with the cards they've been dealt. If they support reform I'd support them.

Curiously, can you back up your allegation here?

I'd be at the front of the queue to condemn him if so.

https://www.theguardian.com/business...s-keir-starmer