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		|  20-12-2019, 17:19 | #2011 |  
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			Anyway - all that Scottish tosh aside ...
 The Guvmin got a huge majority for the Withdrawal Bill and the timetable to get it all through Parliament by 09-January.
 
 Meanwhile, the bleaters don't stop - nothwithstanding the election result.
 
 Anyway, a good day in Parliament, at last.
 
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		|  20-12-2019, 17:55 | #2012 |  
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					Originally Posted by Chris  Six Labour MPs voted for the bill, and it looks like around 30 abstained, in defiance of Corbyn who, even now, still doesn’t understand that there is a clear democratic mandate not only for Brexit, but to stop dithering and get it done.  The rest of the PLP, apparently equally delusional as their lame duck leader, followed his whip and voted against.
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 Update ... 25 formal Labour abstentions, five shadow ministers failed to show up and did not have permission to be absent.  One brand new Labour MP seems to have missed the vote by accident.  What a shower of incompetents and moral cowards.
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		|  20-12-2019, 19:04 | #2013 |  
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					Originally Posted by Mr K  358? If there are 365 Tory MPs, and 6 Labour voted for it, that means at least 13 Tory MPs didn't. A principaled stand or down the pub?   |  I imagine with the parliamentary maths as they are, a few people may have been excused attendance for one reason or another.  I don’t know - when I last posted the details of who voted for what were still coming in.  I would be seriously surprised (and unimpressed in the extreme) if any Tories voted against, or were absent without permission, given the centrality of this vote to the election campaign.
 
Edit ... full breakdown here: https://www.theguardian.com/politics...he-brexit-deal 
Looks like about a dozen Tories didn’t vote.  As I said, I’d be monumentally surprised if they didn’t have permission from the whips to be absent.
 
(Obvs Sinn Fein didn’t vote, but a few SNP and at least one DUP didn’t either).
		 
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		|  20-12-2019, 19:09 | #2014 |  
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			11 Tories were absent
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					Originally Posted by Damien  11 Tories were absent |  well that's smashed that conspiracy theory   
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		|  20-12-2019, 19:16 | #2016 |  
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					Originally Posted by Damien  11 Tories were absent |  Do they have a note from their Mums?
 
 Still 2 unaccounted for then....
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		|  20-12-2019, 19:20 | #2017 |  
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					Originally Posted by Mr K  Do they have a note from their Mums?
 Still 2 unaccounted for then....
 |  If you’re really desperate for a shred of comfort you could go through the voting list with a fine-tooth comb if you want. Grauniad link above.
 
But to be honest I think even for a remainer in continued denial you’re grasping.
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			The bill passed no need for any further discussion really.
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		|  20-12-2019, 19:46 | #2019 |  
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 But to be honest I think even for a remainer in continued denial you’re grasping.
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		|  20-12-2019, 19:51 | #2020 |  
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					Originally Posted by Mr K  Do they have a note from their Mums?
 Still 2 unaccounted for then....
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		|  21-12-2019, 14:29 | #2022 |  
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					Originally Posted by 1andrew1   |  Prophesied by the guy who said we would not even get past the first stage of negotiations with the EU!
 
When are you going to ditch your negative outlook and actually try to understand how many times you have been wrong on this?
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					Originally Posted by OLD BOY  Prophesied by the guy who said we would not even get past the first stage of negotiations with the EU!
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		|  21-12-2019, 15:09 | #2025 |  
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			Technically, negotiations haven't started yet and can't start until after we leave the EU on 31st Jan 2020. All that has been agreed so far is an interim set of arrangements, and until the EU Parliament approves it, even that isn't in place.Link 
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