PM Boris forms a government

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I would have "cried" because the EU's perfidious plan was to punish the UK for its impertinence by carving NI off.

It’s hardly a punishment. It solves the main concerns in Northern Ireland about security and cross border trade. They’d still live under a Union Flag and UK law. Meanwhile GB can get on with Brexit.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jfman

It’s hardly a punishment. It solves the main concerns in Northern Ireland about security and cross border trade. They’d still live under a Union Flag and UK law. Meanwhile GB can get on with Brexit.

Your logic is clear and not contradictable. But to my mind and no doubt most others this "punishment" cannot be allowed. The EU must not be allowed to dictate to us.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by jfman

It’s hardly a punishment. It solves the main concerns in Northern Ireland about security and cross border trade. They’d still live under a Union Flag and UK law. Meanwhile GB can get on with Brexit.

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That means that goods coming into Northern Ireland from elsewhere in the UK would need to be checked to see if they meet EU standards.
It would also involve a temporary single customs territory, effectively keeping the whole of the UK in the EU customs union.
These arrangements would apply unless and until both the EU and UK agree they are no longer necessary.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by nomadking

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Yes, that's the implementation thanks to the DUP.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Your logic is clear and not contradictable. But to my mind and no doubt most others this "punishment" cannot be allowed. The EU must not be allowed to dictate to us.

The UK could conceivably collapse anyway with no deal.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by jfman

Yes, that's the implementation thanks to the DUP.

l.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by nomadking

I don't really see what's complicated.

Originally Posted by Chris

At which point we will most definitely have gone through the looking glass and on towards the second star on the right.

I still can’t shake the feeling that they’re up to something. They had the Lords all set to talk it out and then called it off. They must have seen some way they think they can argue Boris is still acting legally if he acts as he has said he would. I thought they had reached an understanding over the calling of an election, but seemingly not. So what .... ?

Apparently the opposition (to the government) promised not to use a guillotine motion to quicken the bill if the Tory Lords didn’t filibuster.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by jfman

I don't really see what's complicated.

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This was 2015. Few people had even heard of the word Brexit. It was a year before David Cameron called the referendum, two years before Theresa May declared “red lines” over the UK’s withdrawal. It was three years before she agreed to the Irish border backstop as an option and signed the withdrawal agreement that triggered a breakdown in Westminster.
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The Irish government persuaded the EU to make the backstop a condition of

the UK’s withdrawal.
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The Irish goal was to get the border into a legally binding withdrawal agreement – Dublin’s point of maximum leverage – rather than future trade relations, when Dublin would struggle to be heard.

How are the DUP responsible for any of that?

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jfman

Yes, that's the implementation thanks to the DUP.

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The UK could conceivably collapse anyway with no deal.

You have departed reason.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

You have departed reason.

There's increasing chance of Scottish independence and a border poll on the island of Ireland as a result. That is undeniable.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by jfman

There's increasing chance of Scottish independence and a border poll on the island of Ireland as a result. That is undeniable.

Any issues of the backstop and problems getting medicines and food would be there for Scotland and NI, as it has to come through England.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Any issues of the backstop and problems getting medicines and food would be there for Scotland and NI, as it has to come through England.

And if Scotland go independant we could stiff them with a border.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by pip08456

And if Scotland go independant we could stiff them with a border.

According to the Remainers, we would have no choice. They keep going on about this and that about borders.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Any issues of the backstop and problems getting medicines and food would be there for Scotland and NI, as it has to come through England.

England will have solved that problem by then. They can cope with adverse weather, militant French unions, after all...

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by jfman

England will have solved that problem by then. They can cope with adverse weather, militant French unions, after all...

What's to solve? Their problem, not ours.