PM Boris forms a government

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Because it was it had already referred to in the post I was replying to. The quotes I used were later on in that same article. Perhaps I should have highlighted that. Effectively it had been referred to in the "Originally posted by Damian" part of my reply.

Thanks, it wasn't obvious to me, others have said stuff along the lines of "from the article you linked to..."

[papa smurf]

Boris Johnson will take on Remainer Tories by sacking MPs who vote to block No Deal Brexit

TORY MPs who vote to block a No Deal next week will be sacked from the party, we can reveal.

No10 will bar Remainer rebels from standing at the next general election.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit...s-sack-brexit/

At last a PM with the guts to stand up to these democracy deniers

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Originally Posted by Hugh

She worked for Liam Fox and the Taxpayers Alliance - not sure you’re being accurate with your supposition.

When I was a Area Vice-Chairman for the Yorkshire Area Young Conservatives (and a member of the National Executive, and on the Candidates List), I had in my phone contacts a number of Labour Party members (including an MP), some trade union officials, TRG and FCS members (groups in the Tory Party with completely opposite views), and Social Democrats (remember them?) - these were family, friends, colleagues and ex-colleagues; did that make me a "fifth columnist"?

When we fire people because of their contacts, it is the first step on a very slippery road...

Didn't that annoy mr Churchill ??

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

Constitutional crisis is always fun. Being able to witness the death of the UK unfold would be truly historic. Like being able to see the Bolshevik Revolution or the American Civil War.

So you are an anarchist, then....

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

Boris Johnson will take on Remainer Tories by sacking MPs who vote to block No Deal Brexit

TORY MPs who vote to block a No Deal next week will be sacked from the party, we can reveal.

No10 will bar Remainer rebels from standing at the next general election.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit...s-sack-brexit/

At last a PM with the guts to stand up to these democracy deniers

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Didn't that annoy mr Churchill ??

Yes, this should have been done some time ago. A considerable amount of indiscipline has come about in Conservative ranks - it had to be tackled.

However, this makes a General Election more likely. If we get one now, this will be the best solution. Hopefully, the Fixed Term Parliaments Act will not prevent this.

[Angua]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

So you are an anarchist, then....

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Yes, this should have been done some time ago. A considerable amount of indiscipline has come about in Conservative ranks - it had to be tackled.

However, this makes a General Election more likely. If we get one now, this will be the best solution. Hopefully, the Fixed Term Parliaments Act will not prevent this.

Needs support from the opposition to call a GE early. Wonder if Corbyn and his GE fans have realised this is exactly what Johnson wants?

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Angua

Needs support from the opposition to call a GE early. Wonder if Corbyn and his GE fans have realised this is exactly what Johnson wants?

He has them concentrating on other things.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Boris Johnson will take on Remainer Tories by sacking MPs who vote to block No Deal Brexit

TORY MPs who vote to block a No Deal next week will be sacked from the party, we can reveal.

No10 will bar Remainer rebels from standing at the next general election.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit...s-sack-brexit/

At last a PM with the guts to stand up to these democracy deniers [COLOR="Silver

That's a very undemocratic response. If you don't vote in agreement with me, you'll be sacked. Dictator like stance.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Stephen

That's a very undemocratic response. If you don't vote in agreement with me, you'll be sacked. Dictator like stance.

Not really, it would force a General Election. Although those MP's would not be able to stand as Conservatives they could still stand in their constituencies and allow the people to decide if they wanted them as representatives in Parliament.

Hardly the stance of a Dictator.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Stephen

That's a very undemocratic response. If you don't vote in agreement with me, you'll be sacked. Dictator like stance.

And a "yes the majority may have voted for X, but we're determined to using every trick to make sure they don't get it" stance isn't?

[Sephiroth]

Who are worse? Conservatives determined to thwart the guvmin’s commitment to the Referendum result or members of this thread who support their stance?

At least we have an honest government even if led by an improving Boris.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

At least we have an honest government...

Oh Seph, you've made my day, that's the funniest thing I've read on this forum for a long, long time.
Thank you!

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by nomadking

And a "yes the majority may have voted for X, but we're determined to using every trick to make sure they don't get it" stance isn't?

That's a good description of your average remainer

Originally Posted by jfman

Some of the best contacts are surely your opponents. Old politics would involve trading of deals here and there, you support this amendment, we will do this... you abstain from this vote, we might be able to find something here. Not in a corrupt sense, but the sense of trying to give everyone something that we all just get along.

Brexit politics isn't like that. It's do or die for both sides. No deal vs remain. Normal rules of politics are gone.

I suspect most people don’t realise the extent to which this is how normal parliamentary business has been done over many years. Much of what we see on TV, PMQs and other set-piece debates, is political theatre. But Jacob Rees-Mogg is once said to have warmly welcomed a new SNP MP to Westminster with the advice that the true division in the Commons isn’t between the two opposing benches, but between those who are in the executive and those who aren’t. When the Commons is working well, it produces well-crafted law and holds the government to account, while ultimately recognising the right of the government to govern.

At the moment, as you’ve pointed out, both sides of the Brexit debate have become so entrenched that parliament is unwilling to allow the government to exercise its powers and the government is unwilling to allow parliament to conduct oversight.

Where I suspect we differ is that I think Brexit is a boil that absolutely must be lanced, and quickly, for better or worse. We absolutely have to get it done, and then have the confidence to pick ourselves up and make the best of wherever we find ourselves. Those who are trying to stop it (and in that category I place many of those who claim only to be trying to delay it in order to ensure we get a better deal) are pursuing a course of action that will only ensure the running battle between legislature and executive continues and grows deeper. That’s not a great state of affairs.

[nomadking]

If Remain had won, there would have been none of this nonsense from the Leave side that is going on from the Remain side. Nobody would be attempting to overturn a Remain win. It's all very one-sided. Any current antagonism from the Leave side is in response to the shenanigans of the Remain side. What else are they expected to do? Just roll over and let the losing side take over and win?

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Oh Seph, you've made my day, that's the funniest thing I've read on this forum for a long, long time.
Thank you!

Maybe I should explain more. TM lied all the way along.
She might as well been in cahoots with her Chancellor - probably was. It seems obvious now that her agenda was to pretend to honour the Referendum result by doing tongues with the EU on the Withdrawal Agreement. No PM who intended otherwise would have come back with that Agreement. Yet she told everyone on day one that no deal was better than a bad deal.

The present government, on the other hand, is not dishonest - certainly not in the Brexit context. Those dishonourable MPs who are determined to stop Brexit (against the will of the Referendum majority) might possibly succeed in getting an extension to A50. Then a General Election will be necessary to sort this out and we'll see what what we then get.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Maybe I should explain more. TM lied all the way along.
She might as well been in cahoots with her Chancellor - probably was. It seems obvious now that her agenda was to pretend to honour the Referendum result by doing tongues with the EU on the Withdrawal Agreement. No PM who intended otherwise would have come back with that Agreement. Yet she told everyone on day one that no deal was better than a bad deal.

The present government, on the other hand, is not dishonest - certainly not in the Brexit context. Those dishonourable MPs who are determined to stop Brexit (against the will of the Referendum majority) might possibly succeed in getting an extension to A50. Then a General Election will be necessary to sort this out and we'll see what what we then get.

He won't understand that unless it's linked to a paywall