VOD : Netflix/Streaming Services

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Horizon

But why are they getting involved in sports to begin with, then?

Look back at Amazon's origins. How many independent book stores are there now? I think that's the reason why they're getting involved in sports.

Like Hollywood films, our premier league stopped being a English football league years ago. It's a international league with a fast growing global audience unlike other leagues like La liga and couple that with other global sports like golf, tennis etc and films/tv and you have a compelling product you can sell across the globe.

It's a compelling product in the UK, it's an add on everywhere else. International rights of course brings in even greater cost, they don't come in as part of the £5bn.

Beware falling for the hype - the value of the the UK rights tell last time around.

The reason Amazon are getting involved in sports rights? At the levels they are investing it's worth testing the market. It ropes people in at a low price point and they can achieve almost every positive you state regarding cross selling and promotion at a fraction of the cost.

Amazon analysed the risk: didn't bid.
Netflix: same
Facebook: same
Google: same

Sky analysed the risk of losing to any of the above: bid less.

You're all wasting your talents on this forum when there's billions to be made out there and executives lacking vision.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by jfman

Amazon analysed the risk: didn't bid.

That tells us everything..

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Originally Posted by jfman

Netflix: same
Facebook: same
Google: same

All those are not remotely interested in bidding for the Premier League rights not before , not now , not never..

[jfman]

Now, now, Den. There's a long time between now and heat death of the universe.

A lot could happen. Sky Atlantic on Virgin, Premier League on Google...

[denphone]

Originally Posted by jfman

Now, now, Den. There's a long time between now and heat death of the universe.

A lot could happen. Sky Atlantic on Virgin, Premier League on Google...

Well we all know experience is everything when one is making past , present and future predictions..

[muppetman11]

Originally Posted by Horizon

But why are they getting involved in sports to begin with, then?

To enhance its Prime offering most of what it's got into are cheaper rights or in the case of the Premier League ones it's picked up as a no brainer because nobody else wanted them.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by muppetman11

To enhance its Prime offering most of what it's got into are cheaper rights or in the case of the Premier League ones it's picked up as a no brainer because nobody else wanted them.

Exactly the package that was picked up for diddly squat..

[muppetman11]

Originally Posted by jfman

It's a compelling product in the UK, it's an add on everywhere else. International rights of course brings in even greater cost, they don't come in as part of the £5bn.

Beware falling for the hype - the value of the the UK rights tell last time around.

The reason Amazon are getting involved in sports rights? At the levels they are investing it's worth testing the market. It ropes people in at a low price point and they can achieve almost every positive you state regarding cross selling and promotion at a fraction of the cost.

Amazon analysed the risk: didn't bid.
Netflix: same
Facebook: same
Google: same

Sky analysed the risk of losing to any of the above: bid less.

You're all wasting your talents on this forum when there's billions to be made out there and executives lacking vision.

Those predicting big things in video out of the tech companies should also remember YouTube Premium , Apple TV service , Facebook Watch none of which have been an overwhelming success.

[Raider999]

If the Amazon's object is to get more Prime subscriptions has anyone got the breakdown of

1 number of current Prime subs which already have sky sports?

2 number of current Prime subs which already have BT sports?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Raider999

If the Amazon's object is to get more Prime subscriptions has anyone got the breakdown of

1 number of current Prime subs which already have sky sports?

2 number of current Prime subs which already have BT sports?

More importantly what will these figures be in January.

[Horizon]

Originally Posted by muppetman11

So why isn't Amazon even competing with Netflix a company it could easy outspend.

Amazons Video offering is generally inferior to that of Netflix.

I agree, don't know.

The problem with Amazon is that want to park their tanks on everyone's home and they may ultimately became master of nothing.

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Originally Posted by Raider999

If the Amazon's object is to get more Prime subscriptions has anyone got the breakdown of

1 number of current Prime subs which already have sky sports?

2 number of current Prime subs which already have BT sports?

No one would have that info, we can only guess how many prime subscribers take sports. I reckon it would be quite high.

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Originally Posted by muppetman11

Those predicting big things in video out of the tech companies should also remember YouTube Premium , Apple TV service , Facebook Watch none of which have been an overwhelming success.

Apple hasn't started yet, I know absolutely nothing about facebook (can't stand them!) and Youtbue, the normal, service is a great hit, but unless google either make or licence lots of premium content, they can't expect their "premium" service to be a hit.

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Originally Posted by muppetman11

To enhance its Prime offering most of what it's got into are cheaper rights or in the case of the Premier League ones it's picked up as a no brainer because nobody else wanted them.

But as I linked to and said, this is just Amazon testing the waters. Probably even they don't know yet whether they are going to go for it regarding shelling out billions for sports rights.

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Originally Posted by bubblegun

Quick google on the subject brings this article:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/0...doch_panorama/

so not so much that issue but a poor business model!

Yes, but Murdoch destroyed their ability for them to make money by leaking ITV's encryption tech on the internet.

Originally Posted by bubblegun

The Sky Sports Brand is worth a lot but Sky Sports itself is a dwiddling market with less than 50% of Sky's 10 Million customers taking Sports nowadays and it continues to fall. The problem is (and I think Amazon and competitors know this) that the people who pay the big money for Sports are a dying (no pun itended) market. Young people are less likely to pay premiums for live Sports since they can watch near-live clips on social media (or in UK on Match of the Day).

Yes I agree with that. Disney has found that those interested in sports tend to be older viewers whereas the youngsters want to watch dramas and its hitting their ESPN service, which is why streamers like Netflix have done so well.

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Originally Posted by jfman

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You're all wasting your talents on this forum when there's billions to be made out there and executives lacking vision.

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Originally Posted by denphone

That tells us everything..[COLOR="Silver"]
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No it doesn't. It just tells us that they have shown a interest, whether that amounts to something more in the future, remains to be seen.

[Mad Max]

No it doesn't. It just tells us that they have shown a interest, whether that amounts to something more in the future, remains to be seen.

Correct!

[Rob King]

Amazon prime on Virgin Media from 22nd July
https://www.virginmedia.com/virgin-t...29-fullhouse-A

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Mad Max

Correct!

Straw clutching springs to mind MM...

[Raider999]

Originally Posted by Rob King

Amazon prime on Virgin Media from 22nd July
https://www.virginmedia.com/virgin-t...29-fullhouse-A

It will be interesting to see if the 2 rounds of Premier League football will be available to Virgin customers and of so at what cost.

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by denphone

Straw clutching springs to mind MM...

Not at all, Den, you cannot say that Amazon, or whoever it may be, will never seriously put a bid in for the rights to the EPL, it's very early days, and they, imo, are testing the water with the games that they have coming this December.