Brexit

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by denphone

Prof Sir John Curtice thoughts on the Peterborough byelection.

Not sure what the Labour Party can do about the aspect "And it remains the case that it looks as though the Labour party’s position on Brexit is not anything like adequate for the Labour party to be able to retain the kinds of support they had in the 2017 election."

The LibDems can afford to be 100% anti-Brexit but the Labour Party (and to some extent, the Conservatives) lose support if they move one way or the other too strongly on Brexit.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Not sure what the Labour Party can do about the aspect "And it remains the case that it looks as though the Labour party’s position on Brexit is not anything like adequate for the Labour party to be able to retain the kinds of support they had in the 2017 election."

The LibDems can afford to be 100% pro-Brexit but the Labour Party (and to some extent, the Conservatives) lose support if they move one way or the other too strongly on Brexit.

Aren't they pro-remain?

[denphone]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Aren't they pro-remain?

Yes.

Can members please remember that providing a LINK is vastly preferable to copying and pasting lengthy passages from other web pages. Hypertext is kind of the entire point of the World Wide Web.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Aren't they pro-remain?

Thanks, well-spotted, now corrected.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by denphone

Personally my own thoughts are that a hung parliament is quite likely at the next General Election with the Conservative and Labour party losing more votes to the Brexit party and the Lib Dems..

It's far too early to make such a prediction, Den. With Brexit finally achieved under a new Conservative leader and with the Brexit Party disbanded, the next election could yet provide a good result for the Conservatives at the next General Election.

Corbyn is no longer a credible potential PM - the only way he could get in is with a split Tory vote, which is why the Brexit Party is such a threat to them as things stand.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Chris

I wouldn’t be crowing if I were the Labour this morning. That result was a lot closer than they will have liked. Opposition parties are meant to hold their seats at by elections. They frequently do so with increased majorities. Increasing the majority by 76 while also losing 17% of your support relative to 2017 is nothing to brag about, especially when you’ve just been run to the wire by a party that didn’t exist 2 months ago.

If this result shows anything it’s that Labour’s support in Peterborough has collapsed and they’ve hung on only because the Tories tend to lose even more votes to the Brexit Party than Labour does. If a new Tory leader can deliver Brexit and neutralise Farage, he could wipe the floor with Corbyn in a subsequent general election.

Don't know about crowing about it but labour couldn't have tried harder to lose, they put a racist up to replace one that couldn't keep herself outta clink! On the whole I don't think any of the parties will be that unhappy with the result given the turn out was down 20% on the general election, even the tory vote didn't totally collapse

Originally Posted by pip08456

Depends what date in April it was launched.

1st

It's certainly better for Labour this morning but only because expectations were so low on the back of the EU results.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

It's far too early to make such a prediction, Den. With Brexit finally achieved under a new Conservative leader and with the Brexit Party disbanded, the next election could yet provide a good result for the Conservatives at the next General Election.

Corbyn is no longer a credible potential PM - the only way he could get in is with a split Tory vote, which is why the Brexit Party is such a threat to them as things stand.

The fly in the ointment is delivering Brexit. The PM may have changed but the maths hasn't. No deal is out of the question and the favourite to be PM - BoJo -is not known for his tenaciousness, negotiating skills or attention to detail. Will his other skills bring everyone together and make it happen?

[Carth]

I love how people keep saying 'no deal' is out of the question/off the table - when the reality is that over the last 3 years it's been much nearer than the 'deal' that was put forward numerous times

[papa smurf]

Boris Johnson wins challenge against court summons over Brexit campaign claims



Addressing Mr Johnson's barrister, Adrian Darbishire QC, Lady Justice Rafferty said: "We are persuaded, Mr Darbishire, so you succeed, and the relief that we grant is the quashing of the summonses."

https://news.sky.com/story/boris-joh...laims-11736851

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Carth

I love how people keep saying 'no deal' is out of the question/off the table - when the reality is that over the last 3 years it's been much nearer than the 'deal' that was put forward numerous times

That would be me.
May have been nearer than Theresa's deal but it's still out of the question/off the table.

[Carth]

October 31
The new deadline — Brexit day?

This day could go down in history. It is the new date when a no-deal Brexit could take place, after the EU’s decision to delay the UK’s departure twice, from March 29 and April 12.

taken from here (Financial Times no less) https://www.ft.com/content/64e7f218-...a-1e14ce4af89b

Certainly doesn't look 'out of the question' to me

Originally Posted by Hugh

Fair enough - launched less than two months ago, incorporated 7 months ago; the party is not less than 2 months old.

Yes it is if only launched in April, I don’t give a shit if the idea came about months earlier.

When it launched and started campaigning from, is when it matters.

Originally Posted by Hugh

Fair enough - launched less than two months ago, incorporated 7 months ago; the party is not less than 2 months old.

Do you like salt and vinegar with your pedant’n’chips?