PM Boris forms a government

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by denphone

Gove is a repeatable backstabber , Can a man like that really be trusted?.

More trustworthy than Boris but I agree that is not saying much. If Boris can run the gauntlet of those who hate/mistrust him in the selection rounds and ends up in the last 2, he is the winner.

He may yet fall due to Gove, and other, supporters ganging up to knock him out of the race.

[Carth]

All interesting stuff, and the general theme seems to be that whoever ends up in Number 10 will be there not because they are a competent leader, but because of who they did/didn't fall foul of in the past

. . . so that's definitely Jeremy Clarkson out then

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Except they haven't.[COLOR="Silver"]

That's guesswork - and you're terrified of a second referendum - which says to me you aren't so confident in your opinion.

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Originally Posted by denphone

Gove is a repeatable backstabber , Can a man like that really be trusted?.

It doesn't really matter - the next PM is only an interim one anyway until they, once again, fail to deliver Brexit on time and/or lose a general election.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by jfman

That's guesswork - and you're terrified of a second referendum - which says to me you aren't so confident in your opinion.

I do wish you would stop referring to a second referendum. To make it clear. The first referendum was in 1975 when the electorate decided on a majority of those who decided to be bothered to vote that we would remain in the EEC (as the EU was then known).

In 2016 the electorate were offered a second referendum on membership of the EU. Based on information we did not have back in 1975 a majority of the electorate who could be bothered to vote decided we should leave.

Egro we have already had 2 referendums (referenda?) the second being based on more information than available on the first.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by pip08456

I do wish you would stop referring to a second referendum. To make it clear. The first referendum was in 1975 when the electorate decided on a majority of those who decided to be bothered to vote that we would remain in the EEC (as the EU was then known).

In 2016 the electorate were offered a second referendum on membership of the EU. Based on information we did not have back in 1975 a majority of the electorate who could be bothered to vote decided we should leave.

Egro we have already had 2 referendums (referenda?) the second being based on more information than available on the first.

Pointless pedantry. Thenext referendum then... which I anticipate this year or early next year. I fail to see the point in wasting my time for this clarification when we both know you knew what I meant.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

That's guesswork - and you're terrified of a second referendum - which says to me you aren't so confident in your opinion.

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It doesn't really matter - the next PM is only an interim one anyway until they, once again, fail to deliver Brexit on time and/or lose a general election.

You have absolutely no proof that Brexiteers have changed their minds about leaving. No-one I know has, and whenever somebody prattles that nonsense on Question Time, they are met with howls of incredulity by leavers.

You always demand proof when someone doesn't agree with your take on things, but you come up with this garbage with absolutely no proof whatsoever.

A second referendum is totally unnecessary and would waste even more time as well as increase divisions in the country still further. We don't want that, we want to get on with Brexit. The public already feel betrayed because we missed the March deadline and Theresa May failed to take the opportunity then to get out with no deal.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

You have absolutely no proof that Brexiteers have changed their minds about leaving. No-one I know has, and whenever somebody prattles that nonsense on Question Time, they are met with howls of incredulity by leavers.

You always demand proof when someone doesn't agree with your take on things, but you come up with this garbage with absolutely no proof whatsoever.

A second referendum is totally unnecessary and would waste even more time as well as increase divisions in the country still further. We don't want that, we want to get on with Brexit. The public already feel betrayed because we missed the March deadline and Theresa May failed to take the opportunity then to get out with no deal.

Haha Question Time audiences - that old grey representative bunch of the UK public. Laughable to believe that's indicative of anything.

A second (third for the benefit of whoever claimed we've had two) referendum would be an effective use of time - it would be decisive and eliminate all of the criticisms of the first. It'd also give a clear mandate to Parliament to deliver - something it has not done so far and will not do come October.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by jfman

Haha Question Time audiences - that old grey representative bunch of the UK public. Laughable to believe that's indicative of anything.

A second (third for the benefit of whoever claimed we've had two) referendum would be an effective use of time - it would be decisive and eliminate all of the criticisms of the first. It'd also give a clear mandate to Parliament to deliver - something it has not done so far and will not do come October.

Tonight's EU election results should do that.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Tonight's EU election results should do that.

It won't. The turnout just won't be high enough for anything meaningful to come from it. It will get dismissed as a protest vote.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by jfman

It won't. The turnout just won't be high enough for anything meaningful to come from it. It will get dismissed as a protest vote.

You mean just as those who used the referendum as a protest vote?

If it is a protest vote does that not send a message that the electorate want the result of the referendum to be carried out as promised?

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

It won't. The turnout just won't be high enough for anything meaningful to come from it. It will get dismissed as a protest vote.

And what if leavers stayed away from another referendum because they have already given their answer? That would lead to a 'remain' vote, but it wouldn't mean leavers had changed their minds.

Another referendum would simply confuse an already complex situation, which of course is what you want.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by pip08456

You mean just as those who used the referendum as a protest vote?

If it is a protest vote does that not send a message that the electorate want the result of the referendum to be carried out as promised?

Not in the numbers likely to have voted. It'll be less than 17 million, and despite the headlines adding up 'remain' parties and apportioning some of the Labour vote (nobody knows where they stand) and it'll be close between leave/remain to the extent it can't be verified other than it's bad news for the Conservatives.

If it was to stand up at a general election, with the looming fear of Marxism, it'd be interesting to see. We might get to find out in the Autumn.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

Not in the numbers likely to have voted. It'll be less than 17 million, and despite the headlines adding up 'remain' parties and apportioning some of the Labour vote (nobody knows where they stand) and it'll be close between leave/remain to the extent it can't be verified other than it's bad news for the Conservatives.

If it was to stand up at a general election, with the looming fear of Marxism, it'd be interesting to see. We might get to find out in the Autumn.

Venezuela here we come, then!

[Pierre]

We would welcome a 2nd Ref and a General Election.

I think Remain and Labour, respectively, are seriously mis-calculating the countries feelings outside of the M25.


The Local Elections gave notice to the main parties that their vote is not guaranteed. The Brexit party didn’t field candidates so the winners by default were the LibDems and independents. LibDems vote was not because of their Remain ticket.

We’ll see at the EU elections how well hey do on their Remain ticket, I predict not too great.

Any 2nd ref would result in a very narrow win for either side, I would still go for Leave by a whisker.

Any GE would result in a hung parliament.

I would preferably exit the EU then hold the GE in 2022 when we had time for the dust to settle and Labour to come up with a policy.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Pierre

We would welcome a 2nd Ref and a General Election.

I think Remain and Labour, respectively, are seriously mis-calculating the countries feelings outside of the M25.
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Who is 'We'?. Haven't heard any Brexiteers crying out for a new referendum/GE.