Brexit - Page 162

**Mick** · 22-05-2019, 11:20

Well, the only leaders debate to currently take place between Vince Cable and Nigel Farage, this morning and Lib Dem's Vince, was late showing up to the interview by 15 minutes, so that was not good start.

denphone · 22-05-2019, 11:25

All the leaders should have to debate instead of hiding behind their petticoats.

**Mick** · 22-05-2019, 11:26

BREAKING: Brexit Party surging to nearly 40% in latest European Parliament voting intention Poll:

BREX: 38% (+4)
LAB: 17% (-3)
LDEM: 15% (-)
CON: 12% (-)
GRN: 7% (+1)
CHUK: 3% (-)
UKIP: 2% (-)

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Chgs. w/ 16 May

OLD BOY · 22-05-2019, 11:35

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Originally Posted by Mick

BREAKING: Brexit Party surging to nearly 40% in latest European Parliament voting intention Poll:

BREX: 38% (+4)
LAB: 17% (-3)
LDEM: 15% (-)
CON: 12% (-)
GRN: 7% (+1)
CHUK: 3% (-)
UKIP: 2% (-)

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@OpiniumResearch

Chgs. w/ 16 May

Will the Remainers even flinch? I doubt it. I hope this makes our MPs sit up and taste the coffee, though. They will never, ever, be forgiven if they ignore what so many people want.

Pierre · 22-05-2019, 12:27

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Originally Posted by Mick

BREX: 38% (+4)
LAB: 17% (-3)
LDEM: 15% (-)
CON: 12% (-)
GRN: 7% (+1)
CHUK: 3% (-)
UKIP: 2% (-)

So that works out as:

40% for Leave parties

25% for Remain parties

29% for Labour & Tory, then you have to work out the % of Labour/Tory that vote Leave/Remain.

No value on the that list for SNP?

1andrew1 · 22-05-2019, 12:29

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Wrong on both points.
I see that British Steel is set to fall into administration. More Project Fear.

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British Steel has been placed into insolvency, putting up to 25 thousand jobs at risk.
Sky's City editor Mark Kleinman reported that experts for the business services firm EY had been in court finalising their appointment ahead of the company's collapse

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews...tD3?ocid=ientp

Mythica · 22-05-2019, 12:52

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

There, you've said it. The referendum will ask the public whether they want to stay or take Brino. A majority of the electorate voted for Brexit. Where's that option?

You cannot legitimately fault Brexit voting electors for not wanting another referendum. It's a stitch-up and the Government would never be forgiven for such an outcome.

Democracy is at stake here. Give us a leader who can deliver Brexit. That's what was voted for and that's what we want.

The very definition of democracy would be to have another referendum. A lot has happened in the 3 years from 2016.

**Chris** · 22-05-2019, 12:54

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Originally Posted by Pierre

So that works out as:

40% for Leave parties

25% for Remain parties

29% for Labour & Tory, then you have to work out the % of Labour/Tory that vote Leave/Remain.

No value on the that list for SNP?

A UK-wide poll won’t show anything useful about the SNP because they only stand in one voting region.

They presently have 2 of 6 seats in Scotland and don’t stand a cat in hell’s chance of getting a third unless they scoop up well over half of all the votes cast in Scotland this week, which seems unlikely.

UKIP had one seat in Scotland after the last election but the sitting MEP switched to the Brexit Party when it launched. There’s a reasonable chance the Brexit will take a second seat here, which will look absolutely brilliant because they will then be level pegging with the SNP and, if they’re any good at their PR, they will have an opportunity to push back on Sturgeon’s incessant greetin’ about how everyone in Scotland hates Brexit and loves the EU (which is untrue, and always has been).

OLD BOY · 22-05-2019, 13:02

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Originally Posted by Mythica

The very definition of democracy would be to have another referendum. A lot has happened in the 3 years from 2016.

Not without a choice for Brexit, it isn't. We voted for that first time around and now it's not even an option. That is definitely NOT democracy.

nomadking · 22-05-2019, 13:06

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Originally Posted by Mythica

The very definition of democracy would be to have another referendum. A lot has happened in the 3 years from 2016.

Then what? If certain quarters were prepared to honour the result of any 2nd vote, why on earth aren't they prepared to accept and honour the first?

Anything and everything, negative that has happened since the 1st vote, is SOLELY down to the Remain side. Everything they have done is to block Brexit in every way possible. If the Leave side had lost, then yes they wouldn't be happy, but they wouldn't have tried to block Remain.

Let's just suppose there was a 2nd vote, and Remain won(because the only questions allowed will be Remain or Remain). Then in 3 years time things change dramatically for the worse(which they definitely would), would a 3rd vote be allowed?

Mythica · 22-05-2019, 13:17

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Originally Posted by nomadking

Then what? If certain quarters were prepared to honour the result of any 2nd vote, why on earth aren't they prepared to accept and honour the first?

Anything and everything, negative that has happened since the 1st vote, is SOLELY down to the Remain side. Everything they have done is to block Brexit in every way possible. If the Leave side had lost, then yes they wouldn't be happy, but they wouldn't have tried to block Remain.

Let's just suppose there was a 2nd vote, and Remain won(because the only questions allowed will be Remain or Remain). Then in 3 years time things change dramatically for the worse(which they definitely would), would a 3rd vote be allowed?

This is exactly one of the reasons the way the country is at the minute. Blaming one side for everything. Putting the blame solely on the remain side is ludicrous and one of the most ridiculous things I've heard on here. Is it any wonder we're stuck as we are if people have that attitude.

gba93 · 22-05-2019, 13:19

... and so we enter into the realms of the EU solution to all problematic referendums; if you don't get the answer you want keep going until you do get it and then, and only then, do you stop ~ that's EU democracy for you.

Sephiroth · 22-05-2019, 13:33

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Originally Posted by Mythica

This is exactly one of the reasons the way the country is at the minute. Blaming one side for everything. Putting the blame solely on the remain side is ludicrous and one of the most ridiculous things I've heard on here. Is it any wonder we're stuck as we are if people have that attitude.

I’m afraid you are right. We prolly part views there!

Or do we? This mess, and the opportunity for Remainers to drive the wedge is 100% down to the politicians, particularly May’s bungling everything. This has interfered with the key democratic principle that vote losers must accept the result.

We sre better remaining rather than leaving on May’s terms. Hence some rationale foe another referendum.

Best to leave without a deal, imo.

**Mick** · 22-05-2019, 13:47

There is an ominous feeling in the commons today, almost "funeral like", that there is workings going on behind the scenes to get May out of office ASAP.

Prominent Cabinet Brexiteers are missing from the front Bench during today's PMQs: Gove, Truss, Leadsom, Fox, Grayling all still absent. I am informed though that Grayling, is in Germany, at a Transport summit.

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Leadsom now appeared on Front Bench, Pizza club plotting concluded ?

nomadking · 22-05-2019, 14:47

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Originally Posted by Mythica

This is exactly one of the reasons the way the country is at the minute. Blaming one side for everything. Putting the blame solely on the remain side is ludicrous and one of the most ridiculous things I've heard on here. Is it any wonder we're stuck as we are if people have that attitude.

So what have the Remain side done that HASN'T blocked Brexit? Unless you are suggesting that it has been the Brexit side that has been blocking it.