Brexit

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

You guys need to make your Continental conspiracies consistent before posting them here.

Whether it was Germany or France (it was France) is irrelevant to the extent that it was corruption.

[nomadking]

We specifically opted out in the Maastricht Treaty but it made little difference.

After the 1993 Council Negotiations, when the 1993 version of the Directive was agreed to after an 11–1 vote, UK Employment Secretary David Hunt said, "It is a flagrant abuse of Community rules. It has been brought forward as such simply to allow majority voting – a ploy to smuggle through part of the Social Chapter by the back door.

[denphone]

The Latest European Elections Voting Intention with the main parties vote in full collapse mode.

BXP: 35% (+1)
LDM: 16% (+1)
LAB: 15% (-1)
GRN: 10% (-1)
CON: 9% (-1)
CHUK: 5% (=)
UKIP: 3% (=)

Via @YouGov, 12-16 May.
Changes w/ 8-9 May.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Why not? - you could have opted out.

You can only opt out of certain provisions of the Working Time Directive.. It is far too restrictive, in my opinion and fails those who want to work hard and earn more money. It's a typical socialist law which sounds so noble for those promoting it, but carries unacceptable downsides for ordinary people and businesses..

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

You can only opt out of certain provisions of the Working Time Directive.. It is far too restrictive, in my opinion and fails those who want to work hard and earn more money. It's a typical socialist law which sounds so noble for those promoting it, but carries unacceptable downsides for ordinary people and businesses..

Which ones?

The only ones I can find who can’t opt out are in transportation (lorry, train, and bus drivers, air transport staff) - I don’t know about you, but I don’t want exhausted HGV or bus/train drivers on the road.

Working long hours consistently can lead to ill-health, mentally and physically, and to an increase in work-place accidents due to fatigue.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Which ones?

The only ones I can find who can’t opt out are in transportation (lorry, train, and bus drivers, air transport staff) - I don’t know about you, but I don’t want exhausted HGV or bus/train drivers on the road.

Limits on working hours for those jobs were in place BEFORE the EU rules. Still leaves the underlying problem of what they do outside work. If they're awake for 20hrs/day, any work based limits are meaningless. If they're driving to/from work, those hours are not included.

[1andrew1]

Looks like Farage has been living it up at Banks's expense. But we still don't know who is funding Banks. The National Crime Agency are still investigating.

Channel 4 News investigation reveals how millionaire Arron Banks spent approximately £450,000 on Nigel Farage to fund lavish lifestyle the year following the EU referendum in summer 2016.

Mr Banks is currently under investigation by the National Crime Agency over the source of his funding for the Brexit campaign.
However, Nigel Farage claims Mr Banks has never funded The Brexit Party, which was founded in February this year.

An investigation by Channel 4 News reveals:

- Mr Banks, through one of his companies, rented exclusive £4.4m Chelsea home for Mr Farage
- Gifts included furniture, council tax, water and electricity bills
- Banks provided a £30k car and £20k for a driver
- Banks also leased private office for £1,500 a month and paid Mr Farage’s personal assistant
- Hundreds of thousands of pounds were spent promoting “Brand Farage” in America
- A company owned by Mr Banks, called Rock Services Ltd, leased a £4.4m three-bedroom Chelsea home with a garage for Mr Farage at an estimated rent of £13,000 a month in summer 2016.
- Mr Banks also bought furniture and fittings for the house, including crockery, chairs and bathroom accessories and even even a shower curtain.
- Mr Farage was also provided with a Land Rover Discovery, valued at £32,300, for his use.
- Mr Banks paid £20,000 for a close protection driver and sought to raise a further £130,000 from unnamed supporters to cover Mr Farage’s security detail.

The revelations are contained in invoices, emails and other documents seen by Channel 4 News which lay bare Mr Farage’s financial reliance on Arron Banks to fund his lavish lifestyle after he announced he was standing down as UKIP leader following the referendum.

https://www.channel4.com/news/nigel-...crets-revealed

[Mythica]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

You can only opt out of certain provisions of the Working Time Directive.. It is far too restrictive, in my opinion and fails those who want to work hard and earn more money. It's a typical socialist law which sounds so noble for those promoting it, but carries unacceptable downsides for ordinary people and businesses..

What parts can you not opt out of?

Originally Posted by pip08456

I would like to know what the benefit of the working time directive actually was. It was certainly not of any benefit to me.

Since we don't know your circumstances, it is impossible for anyone (but you) on this forum to answer that.

Can you explain how it has adversely impacted you?

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Looks like Farage has been living it up at Banks's expense. But we still don't know who is funding Banks. The National Crime Agency are still investigating.

https://www.channel4.com/news/nigel-...crets-revealed

£450k is a bit of pocket money for Nigel. Seems to spend a lot on security, doesn't he think he's popular?

His neighbours will be Russian on that street, probably the same source of money that's funding Nigel's rental. However the shower curtain is a unecessary luxury, he should be ashamed the of himself !

Originally Posted by nomadking

Limits on working hours for those jobs were in place BEFORE the EU rules. Still leaves the underlying problem of what they do outside work. If they're awake for 20hrs/day, any work based limits are meaningless. If they're driving to/from work, those hours are not included.

People have some personal responsibility - the employer is liable, and has a duty of care, for actions in the workplace, you seem to be stating that they should monitor/be liable for actions outside the workplace.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Since we don't know your circumstances, it is impossible for anyone (but you) on this forum to answer that.

Can you explain how it has adversely impacted you?

Where did I say I was adversely impacted?

I said it was in no way beneficial.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Looks like Farage has been living it up at Banks's expense. But we still don't know who is funding Banks. The National Crime Agency are still investigating.

https://www.channel4.com/news/nigel-...crets-revealed

Non-story.

If Farage was an MP, he could legitimately claim all of that from the Taxpayer via his expenses.

That fact he was being funded by a wealthy individual, is the wealthy individuals business

Originally Posted by Pierre

Non-story.

If Farage was an MP, he could legitimately claim all of that from the Taxpayer via his expenses.

That fact he was being funded by a wealthy individual, is the wealthy individuals business

Not if they're seeking political office because then the question is what do they expect in return? It's legitimate to ask those questions.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Hugh

People have some personal responsibility - the employer is liable, and has a duty of care, for actions in the workplace, you seem to be stating that they should monitor/be liable for actions outside the workplace.

My point is that legal limits are totally meaningless. Why should an employer be held accountable if an employee eg stays up all night?