Brexit

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Good News. Chlorinated chicken will be coming out way soon ! Enjoy.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8914621.html
Me and Mick are vegetarians, so we're alright.

You do realise the EU ban was because it is TOO GOOD at getting rid of any bugs.
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It's not consuming chlorine itself that the EU is worried about - in fact in 2005 the European Food Safety Authority said that "exposure to chlorite residues arising from treated poultry carcasses would be of no safety concern". Chlorine-rinsed bagged salads are common in the UK and other countries in the EU.
But the EU believes that relying on a chlorine rinse at the end of the meat production process could be a way of compensating for poor hygiene standards - such as dirty or crowded abattoirs.

After washing it would pass any hygiene tests. No doubt it was to impose on the rest of the EU, the more expensive abattoir standards of Germany.

A study from the University of Southampton last year found that chlorine could make food-borne pathogens undetectable, giving lower microbial counts in testing, but without actually killing them - so they might remain capable of causing disease.

Lower levels sounds good, doesn't it?


The EU alternative is "washing" with air and water. Therefore the chlorinated wash is additional. It's ruled safe by the EU, so what exactly is their problem? Other than shutting out the US.

But the practice has been banned in the EU since 1997, where only washing with cold air or water is allowed.
The EU argues that chlorine washes could increase the risk of bacterial-based diseases such as salmonella on the grounds that dirty abattoirs with sloppy standards would rely on it as a decontaminant rather than making sure their basic hygiene protocols were up to scratch.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by nomadking

You do realise the EU ban was because it is TOO GOOD at getting rid of any bugs.
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After washing it would pass any hygiene tests. No doubt it was to impose on the rest of the EU, the more expensive abattoir standards of Germany.


Lower levels sounds good, doesn't it?


The EU alternative is "washing" with air and water. Therefore the chlorinated wash is additional. It's ruled safe by the EU, so what exactly is their problem? Other than shutting out the US.

The only reason the US need to chlorinate their chicken is because their hygiene standards are inferior to the EU.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...al-agriculture

Agriculture in the US remains quite backward in many respects. It retains a position of resisting more information on labels to limit consumer knowledge and engagement. Its livestock sectors often suffer from poor husbandry, which leads to more prevalence of disease and a greater reliance on antibiotics. Whereas we have a “farm to fork” approach to managing disease and contamination risk throughout the supply chain through good husbandry, the US is more inclined to simply treat contamination of its meat at the end with a chlorine or similar wash.

However its irrelevant to me, enjoy !

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Yes we said that about the Euro. Done a lot better than the pound over the last 3 years.

It's strange Brexiteers seem desperate for the EU to fail. In or out of the EU they are our largest trading partner, so it would directly affect us. Don't expect that bloke, who can't be mentioned, from over the pond to do us any favours. He along with Putin would be happy for the EU to break up. United we stand, divided we fall.

The pound has faltered owing to the uncertainty, that is all. It will rise again post Brexit.

I am a Brexiteer but I don't want the EU to fail.But it's because I know it will, due to the sheer inefficiency and mismanagement of Le Project, it is better to be out of it when the fallout spreads.

As Mick says, our trade with the EU will continue beyond Brexit, and our opportunities in the bigger world are vast. Your pessimism doesn't change those facts. Look again.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

We haven't being doing well in recent times for some reason. Our growth was temporarily boosted in the last quarter thanks to all our stockpiling for a Brexit that didn't happen !
Canada's the place to emigrate to if they let us in and don't get paranoid about immigration....

Canada, you say? You mean that country that just arranged that trade deal with the EU without being a member of it?


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Originally Posted by Mythica

You keep calling it the corrupt EU, is nowhere else corrupt that we would be trading with outside the EU?

Oh yes, probably. But at least we wouldn't be IN it - just trading with it.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Good News. Chlorinated chicken will be coming out way soon ! Enjoy.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8914621.html
Me and Mick are vegetarians, so we're alright.

Better buy British, then, Mr K. The choice is yours. If you eat meat, of course, which you say you don't!

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Mr K

The only reason the US need to chlorinate their chicken is because their hygiene standards are inferior to the EU.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...al-agriculture


However its irrelevant to me, enjoy !

As your post pointed out.

the US is more inclined to simply treat contamination of its meat at the end with a chlorine or similar wash.

Why is a chlorinated wash ok for salads? IE includes vegetarians.


Doesn't mean standards in the US are necessarily worse.


Germany has a habit of imposing it's own more expensive standards on the rest of the EU, in order to stop others having an economic advantage. All to do with maintaining the "level-playing field", as with the conditions the EU is still trying to impose on the UK, post-Brexit.

With a view to ensuring the maintenance of the level playing
field conditions required for the proper functioning of this paragraph, the provisions set out in
Annex 4 to this Protocol shall apply.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

The pound has faltered owing to the uncertainty, that is all. It will rise again post Brexit.

I am a Brexiteer but I don't want the EU to fail.But it's because I know it will, due to the sheer inefficiency and mismanagement of Le Project, it is better to be out of it when the fallout spreads.

As Mick says, our trade with the EU will continue beyond Brexit, and our opportunities in the bigger world are vast. Your pessimism doesn't change those facts. Look again.

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Canada, you say? You mean that country that just arranged that trade deal with the EU without being a member of it?


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Oh yes, probably. But at least we wouldn't be IN it - just trading with it.

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Better buy British, then, Mr K. The choice is yours. If you eat meat, of course, which you say you don't!

There won't be a choice to buy British when we leave, Patrick Minford has already said agriculture and manufacturing will have to be sacrificed, perhaps we can go back to digging for victory

[Mythica]

Originally Posted by Mick

It’s called politics Hugh.

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Tough. Your question was nonsensical, as we are not in any other union.

I'll try again but staying on topic.

The question wasn't nonsensical, you keep saying the EU are corrupt, but aren't other countries (including us), ones that we will be trading with also corrupt or is it just the EU because you don't like them? I know we aren't in any other union but that wasn't the point of the question.

Originally Posted by Mythica

I'll try again but staying on topic.

The question wasn't nonsensical, you keep saying the EU are corrupt, but aren't other countries (including us), ones that we will be trading with also corrupt or is it just the EU because you don't like them? I know we aren't in any other union but that wasn't the point of the question.

Every country has a degree of corruption - I have never advocated that there are countries which aren't (ours included).

I go on about the EU being corrupt because it is and the UK Democratically voted to leave it.

The EU way, is that they are Anti-Democratic, they have had other Member States holding important votes again and again and they want us to hold another referendum, they want us to remain but we voted out.

The EU is championing on getting rid of the "Veto" that each member has, so in other words they want to force their ways on ALL member States and cancel the veto each Member state has. Guy Verhoftstadt more or less suggested this is how the EU should be now in a TV interview just recently. They want to steal and rob sovereignty and further powers. Who the hell wants to stay aligned to this BS ?

I urge people, however they voted to go watch that BBC Documentary on Iplayer if it is still on, EU Negotiations - Behind closed doors. The EU have not acted in good faith at all towards us and Theresa May has just allowed them to piss all over us when we should have stood firm. We cannot be allowed to succeed out, they pretty much said that, so have given us a crap deal. Is this not corruption, because it is to me?

[Mythica]

Originally Posted by Mick

Every country has a degree of corruption - I have never advocated that there are countries which aren't (ours included).

I go on about the EU being corrupt because it is and the UK Democratically voted to leave it.

The EU way, is that they are Anti-Democratic, they have had other Member States holding important votes again and again and they want us to hold another referendum, they want us to remain but we voted out.

The EU is championing on getting rid of the "Veto" that each member has, so in other words they want to force their ways on ALL member States and cancel the veto each Member state has. Guy Verhoftstadt more or less suggested this is how the EU should be now in a TV interview just recently. They want to steal and rob sovereignty and further powers. Who the hell wants to stay aligned to this BS ?

I urge people, however they voted to go watch that BBC Documentary on Iplayer if it is still on, EU Negotiations - Behind closed doors. The EU have not acted in good faith at all towards us and Theresa May has just allowed them to piss all over us when we should have stood firm. We cannot be allowed to succeed out, they pretty much said that, so have given us a crap deal. Is this not corruption, because it is to me?

But will we be any better off dealing with other corrupt nations? Won't we just get shafted in other ways. We were always going to get a crap deal from them. They can't be seen to be dishing out good deals as that will make other countries go for leaving the EU. Do you believe the EU has done anything good for the UK?

Originally Posted by Mythica

But will we be any better off dealing with other corrupt nations? Won't we just get shafted in other ways. We were always going to get a crap deal from them. They can't be seen to be dishing out good deals as that will make other countries go for leaving the EU. Do you believe the EU has done anything good for the UK?

No - because if a particular country shafts us - we can simply not trade with them, we cannot do that with the EU, even after we voted to leave them.

[Mythica]

Originally Posted by Mick

No - because if a particular country shafts us - we can simply not trade with them, we cannot do that with the EU, even after we voted to leave them.

It's a big game to play based on who might or might not shaft us, especially considering they know we might be more desperate for a deal once we leave the EU. They are no more corrupted than any other union/country. And have brought plenty of benefits to our country.

Originally Posted by Mythica

It's a big game to play based on who might or might not shaft us, especially considering they know we might be more desperate for a deal once we leave the EU. They are no more corrupted than any other union/country. And have brought plenty of benefits to our country.

I am sorry but I totally disagree, they are utterly corrupt and they do not provide any benefit to our country either.

They do not bring anything to this country and don't start to go on about investments, as that is our money, we give them, minus their cut, as we are a NET contributor.

[Mythica]

Originally Posted by Mick

I am sorry but I totally disagree, they are utterly corrupt and they do not provide any benefit to our country either.

They do not bring anything to this country and don't start to go on about investments, as that is our money, we give them, minus their cut, as we are a NET contributor.

So the working time directive isn't a benefit?

Originally Posted by Mythica

So the working time directive isn't a benefit?

Not to me it's not, I work in the health care sector, so I am not protected as such, I would not call this a major benefit and we don't need to remain a member of the EU to keep it in UK Law.

[Mythica]

Originally Posted by Mick

Not to me it's not, I work in the health care sector, so I am not protected as such, I would not call this a major benefit and we don't need to remain a member of the EU to keep it in UK Law.

It's not just about you Mick, is it, it's about all of us. It's a huge benefit to millions of people across the UK. If we weren't part of the EU, we might have never had it to begin with.

[Angua]

Originally Posted by nomadking

You do realise the EU ban was because it is TOO GOOD at getting rid of any bugs.
Link

After washing it would pass any hygiene tests. No doubt it was to impose on the rest of the EU, the more expensive abattoir standards of Germany.


Lower levels sounds good, doesn't it?


The EU alternative is "washing" with air and water. Therefore the chlorinated wash is additional. It's ruled safe by the EU, so what exactly is their problem? Other than shutting out the US.

The washing is necessary for US chicken as it is a cost saver. Their inhumane system of chicken rearing is the problem that chlorine washing is trying to solve (not always successfully).